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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 7687798, member: 75937"]A very interesting reverse type, indeed, [USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER]. I have to disagree with the paper by F. X. Ryan about its iconography, though. He does depict examples of this coin where the baby appears to be the Palladium, but on most coins, it does not resemble a Palladium at all.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe the particular die-engraver erroneously carved a Palladium on the coins illustrated in Ryan's paper. I remain of the opinion that it is intended to be a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths, just as Sulzer, Wiczay, Cohen, Mattingly, and Sear before me.</p><p><br /></p><p>The goddess on the reverse is explicitly labeled as Juno. Therefore, she must have Juno's attributes. The object is very unlikely to be the Palladium; the Palladium belongs almost exclusively to Vesta. On those few coins where Juno holds the Palladium, she also holds the scepter, not a flower.</p><p><br /></p><p>While <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/juno-has-many-guises-lets-see-your-juno-coins.291828/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/juno-has-many-guises-lets-see-your-juno-coins.291828/">Juno has many guises</a>, on this coin she has the attributes of Juno Lucina, who was the protectress of women in childbirth: a flower and a baby.</p><p><br /></p><p>The flower recalls the circumstances by which Juno conceived Mars. Ovid relates the story that Juno, angry that her husband Jupiter had given birth to Minerva on his own, decided to do the same thing herself and become pregnant without her husband. She consulted with the goddess Flora, who touched Juno with a flower from the fields of Olenus. Juno thus conceived and gave birth to Mars.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins unequivocally depicting Juno Lucina have the exact same iconography as your denarius of Julia Mamaea. Here are a denarius of Lucilla and a sestertius of Julia Domna, for example:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1320141[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1320140[/ATTACH]</p><p>The Mamaea coin must therefore depict Juno Lucina as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have the denarius and sestertius versions of your coin. <i>Pace</i> F. X. Ryan, but there is no Palladium on these coins:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1320142[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1320143[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 7687798, member: 75937"]A very interesting reverse type, indeed, [USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER]. I have to disagree with the paper by F. X. Ryan about its iconography, though. He does depict examples of this coin where the baby appears to be the Palladium, but on most coins, it does not resemble a Palladium at all. I believe the particular die-engraver erroneously carved a Palladium on the coins illustrated in Ryan's paper. I remain of the opinion that it is intended to be a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths, just as Sulzer, Wiczay, Cohen, Mattingly, and Sear before me. The goddess on the reverse is explicitly labeled as Juno. Therefore, she must have Juno's attributes. The object is very unlikely to be the Palladium; the Palladium belongs almost exclusively to Vesta. On those few coins where Juno holds the Palladium, she also holds the scepter, not a flower. While [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/juno-has-many-guises-lets-see-your-juno-coins.291828/']Juno has many guises[/URL], on this coin she has the attributes of Juno Lucina, who was the protectress of women in childbirth: a flower and a baby. The flower recalls the circumstances by which Juno conceived Mars. Ovid relates the story that Juno, angry that her husband Jupiter had given birth to Minerva on his own, decided to do the same thing herself and become pregnant without her husband. She consulted with the goddess Flora, who touched Juno with a flower from the fields of Olenus. Juno thus conceived and gave birth to Mars. Coins unequivocally depicting Juno Lucina have the exact same iconography as your denarius of Julia Mamaea. Here are a denarius of Lucilla and a sestertius of Julia Domna, for example: [ATTACH=full]1320141[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1320140[/ATTACH] The Mamaea coin must therefore depict Juno Lucina as well. I have the denarius and sestertius versions of your coin. [I]Pace[/I] F. X. Ryan, but there is no Palladium on these coins: [ATTACH=full]1320142[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1320143[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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