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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;seth77, post: 4868150, member: 56653&quot;]Poey, Boudeau and Duplessy all seem rushed and needed to keep it 100% to fit their knowledge into a limited space (even though Poey did at times go awol). At the same time, only Poey dwells seriously on &quot;style&quot; and letter shapes to determine a relative chronology inside an immobilized issue. This type of posts is clarifying and focused enough to make a large immobilization that spans from around the 1020s (I think the likely date for the beginning of this issue under Herbert is around 1020-1025) to 1266 seem less chaotic, by bringing some skeletal points that need to be made (and are often skipped by French numismatists for some reason) in the chronology.</p><p><br /></p><p>There&#039;s also another aspect that was scarcely touched upon: in the first half of the 11th century the denier was still tributary to the Carolingian grand denier -- so around 20-22mm ca. 1.20g+. By the time Charles d&#039;Anjou mints at Le Mans -- in part to sustain his endeavors in Italy -- the regular denier is at 18mm although de jure still a moneta septena and thus worth 2 deniers tournois. So besides the style that is definitely specific to age, metrology helps us also determine the place a certain piece has inside this immobilization.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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