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<p>[QUOTE="GoldFinger1969, post: 4204665, member: 73489"]<i><b>Respectfully disagree, C101. </b></i></p><p><br /></p><p>I do believe coins are a "safer" investment thanks to the TPGs. Not SAFE -- but safer.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><i><span style="color: #ff0000">BIG difference !!!</span></i></b></p><p><br /></p><p> We basically have a duopoly with PCGS and NGC; the market share for ANACS and ICG must be <5% of new submittances, if that.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #ff0000"><i>That was NEVER going to happen. </i></span></b> Each coin is UNIQUE....coins are not stocks or bonds that are identical.</p><p><br /></p><p>Even I, a rookie/novice at the time, realized that. Eventually, my Wall Street compatriots probably realized it, too.</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, if you deal with someone and have a coin that you are convinced has been misgraded you may (or may not) have return privileges.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><i>But again....nobody could - or SHOULD -- possibly think that coins could be exchanged interchangeably.</i></b> Stocks and bonds are 100% liquid and interchangeable. A share of Microsoft traded on NASDAQ is the same as one traded between 2 institutions or on an exchange.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: #ff0000"><u>No 2 numismatic dated coins are EXACTLY the same. They may have the SAME EXACT GRADE -- but they are NOT exactly the same.</u></span></b></p><p><br /></p><p>For practical purposes, you can say that today's MS and PF coins are identical or nearly identical because the minting and striking process has improved by light-years from the 1950's and 1920's and before. <b>But that's not what was at state 30 years ago with the TPGs and older coins.</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>(1) The market dropped to 25% of initial quotes because there was a bubble in PRICING. This isn't a reflection of the merits of the TPGs.</p><p><br /></p><p>(2) Again, coins were more "fungible" but not perfectly interchangeable and marketable like stocks or bonds. So nobody on Wall Street had any illuisons, and nobody who was a professional coin collector/numismatist (who SHOULD have known better than the Wall Street guys) should have had any illusions either.</p><p><br /></p><p>(3) The investment funds were never set up as far as I know. Both Merrill Lynch and Kidder Peabody were merely exploring the possibility. They probably realized (a) there wasn't enough demand (b) there weren't enough coins to justify funds of sufficient size and (c) they realized that even with TPGs that coins weren't interchangeable enough such that MS-65's themselves differed greatly to a professional.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>TPGs closed "the gap" for the average coin collector or the rookie or novice. But not enough to justify Wall Street $$$$...or win-over every long-time veteran coin collector/numismatist.</u></b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GoldFinger1969, post: 4204665, member: 73489"][I][B]Respectfully disagree, C101. [/B][/I] I do believe coins are a "safer" investment thanks to the TPGs. Not SAFE -- but safer. [B][I][COLOR=#ff0000]BIG difference !!![/COLOR][/I][/B] We basically have a duopoly with PCGS and NGC; the market share for ANACS and ICG must be <5% of new submittances, if that. [B][COLOR=#ff0000][I]That was NEVER going to happen. [/I][/COLOR][/B] Each coin is UNIQUE....coins are not stocks or bonds that are identical. Even I, a rookie/novice at the time, realized that. Eventually, my Wall Street compatriots probably realized it, too. Well, if you deal with someone and have a coin that you are convinced has been misgraded you may (or may not) have return privileges. [B][I]But again....nobody could - or SHOULD -- possibly think that coins could be exchanged interchangeably.[/I][/B] Stocks and bonds are 100% liquid and interchangeable. A share of Microsoft traded on NASDAQ is the same as one traded between 2 institutions or on an exchange. [B][COLOR=#ff0000][U]No 2 numismatic dated coins are EXACTLY the same. They may have the SAME EXACT GRADE -- but they are NOT exactly the same.[/U][/COLOR][/B] For practical purposes, you can say that today's MS and PF coins are identical or nearly identical because the minting and striking process has improved by light-years from the 1950's and 1920's and before. [B]But that's not what was at state 30 years ago with the TPGs and older coins.[/B] (1) The market dropped to 25% of initial quotes because there was a bubble in PRICING. This isn't a reflection of the merits of the TPGs. (2) Again, coins were more "fungible" but not perfectly interchangeable and marketable like stocks or bonds. So nobody on Wall Street had any illuisons, and nobody who was a professional coin collector/numismatist (who SHOULD have known better than the Wall Street guys) should have had any illusions either. (3) The investment funds were never set up as far as I know. Both Merrill Lynch and Kidder Peabody were merely exploring the possibility. They probably realized (a) there wasn't enough demand (b) there weren't enough coins to justify funds of sufficient size and (c) they realized that even with TPGs that coins weren't interchangeable enough such that MS-65's themselves differed greatly to a professional. [B][U]TPGs closed "the gap" for the average coin collector or the rookie or novice. But not enough to justify Wall Street $$$$...or win-over every long-time veteran coin collector/numismatist.[/U][/B][/QUOTE]
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