This got be a fake NGC label/slab?

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  1. Dancing Fire

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  3. Ethan

    Ethan Collector of Kennedy's

    I have seen the TPG's hose it up before and the guy has 100% good feedback. Not sure what to think but not worth the risk either.
     
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  4. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Think about the poor smuck who pays over $2,000 for it
     
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  5. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

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  6. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    I printed it out and scanned it with an Android barcode reading app.
    It gave the number "01893258003412848010".
    Since NGC numbers are shorter, I used the last 10 digits ("3412848-010").
    That led me to this page:

    https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/3412848010/

    Call me a newbie, but it doesn't look like the same coin.

    If it is a fake, it's almost as if they tried to copy the contact marks and imperfections on the real coin. And the color on the eBay coin is all wrong, isn't it?

    Or is it just different lighting? But that doesn't explain the messed up label...

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    Last edited: Jul 5, 2016
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  7. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Any time a picture doesn't clearly show the serial number, I'm outta there without looking back.
     
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  8. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The eBay picture is much better than the NGC picture, which looks like a flatbed scan. Lighting can hide some marks and reveal others. It looks like a match based on the marks that are in common. The reverse NGC picture is almost useless, but the tick at the bottom of the lower left scroll (above the W) looks like a match, too.
     
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  9. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Definitely fake or it's been photo-shopped.

    There is no way a photo at even the horrible angle of the eBay shot would lay the bar code over the cert #.
     
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  10. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    I agree, in my opinion the color should not be cameo in one light, but matte and flat in another light!
     
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  11. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Hell of a job, ahem "they" did in order to, ahem, "hide" the number, wouldn't you say? ;)
     
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  12. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I just sent the seller a nice note asking him to post a picture clearly showing the number.
     
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  13. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Provery
     
  15. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Doug: Nice work on the comparative markup.
    I would be inclined to say it's the same coin, but hiding the number raises suspicions. Maybe they don't want buyers to make the same comparison Doug did.
     
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  16. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Funny how the ngc picture makes the coin look fake
     
  17. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Funny how the ngc picture makes the coin look fake
     
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  18. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    If the slab and label is legit then the coin is a nice 58
     
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  19. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Sorry I couldn't get them lined up better...

    What jumps out at me:

    1) Prongs on holder appear to be different
    2) Date font seems to be different
    3) Denticles also do not appear to be the same

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    Last edited: Jul 6, 2016
  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Two different pics taken with two different techniques and cameras of varying capability; I see them as the same coin rather conclusively. Only the thing with the label inspires caution.
     
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  21. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    No response. Coin sold for $2,930.
     
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