Third Reich CoinCoin, Germany

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  1. Iceman57

    Iceman57 Junior Member

    The symbol originally was used for a symbol for prosperity...And now in modern times becomes the symbol of hatred.
     
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  3. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    I've purchased two more since I created this thread...

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    Seller's photo (yet to receive)...

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  4. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    I have some
    I have some silver medals even featuring Hitler himself. Not sure if I should even post it here. ..
     
  5. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    For the record, the Swastika was an ancient symbol representing the sun used in India more than 2500 Years ago. Even today, it served as a holy Buddhist symbol.
     
  6. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    You are definitely welcome to post such interesting historic items here. I would personally be quite interested in seeing what you have.
     
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  7. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks. .. 1933 Silver election medallion. My favorite not just because of its design and condition, but also because it is historically significant (year when Hitler won the election as chancellor and marked his rise to absolute power) but also it is littered with all the Nazi and German nationalistic symbolisms known without the usual commemorative distractions often associated with such medals.




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  8. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Fascinating medallion. That looks like an awfully valuable item. I can only imagine you must have paid quite a lot for it.
     
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  9. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    However, the very reason this symbol offends some people today...is due to history, its prominent usage by a brutal and repressive regime. Symbols supplant their prior meaning when they're given a new one. The discontinuation of the symbol in popular culture signifies the meaning was in fact, changed. I have no problem with collecting pieces of history, but I don't decorate my house with swastikas either.

    *I'll also note that the Finnish Air Force used a swastika on their aircraft when they gained independence in 1918. Recently, a commemorative ring was produced bearing this once-popular swastika, but generated a negative public outcry because today Finns also associate the symbol with Nazis. As much as one might like the symbol, one shouldn't ignore the reactions it generates.
     
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  10. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks. . It costs a bit but not overwhelmingly overwhelmingly expensive. Got it off a German auction.
     
  11. Endeavor

    Endeavor Well-Known Member

    You're correct in that one should be respectful and considerate of others on whether a symbol may be offensive due to its association with something. I believe the context and the location of the symbol's presentation is what should determine whether it is offensive or not.

    This thread was not created for the purpose of celebrating the Nazi regime or atrocities they commited. It was created to share coins that have ties to a period of historical significance.

    Since history normally plays a big part of the interest in collecting coins, I find that these coins made during a historically significant period as interesting. I believe that the members of this forum are educated and civilized enough to understand the distinction.

    I also believe that this being a coin forum (first and foremost) with members of all ethnicities, it is not an inappropriate location to share or discuss.

    I know you weren't being accusative Kurt. Just elaborating on my thought process for anyone who might be unclear of my intentions.
     
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    Endeavor Well-Known Member

  13. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Nice coin. Perhaps I don't understand your original post in saying owning Nazi era coinage would "elevate" your collection. I'm sure how you intended it was likely not how I received that. I think it's great to have coins that remind us of our history, but would caution those who think that owning a swastika somehow elevates their collection beyond other coins. I see no large difference in owning these coins vs owning coins from neighboring countries of the same era. By the way, that original post coin looks beautiful and is a nice pickup.
     
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  14. desertgem

    desertgem MODERATOR Senior Errer Collecktor Moderator

    If people took the time to read similar threads on foreign coins you will see the symbols and the presence of the symbol itself doesn't cause the post rejection. HOWEVER, when members use the pretense to post material with a political slant, where a photo, meme, or a copyrighted photo, etc. is used, it very well may be removed and penalty is accessed. For the next year, we will lose more members because of the political aspects than anything but trying to be a troll. My family fought for the south, but we do not have to keep waving a symbol around as today some see much wrong with the result, but that is why Partisanlines.com is provided by Peter. They are for the things we do not allow and they do not go easily, as they know their history as the people here know their coins. If members continue this thread under the wrong direction, well you know as it is often mentioned. We do not do politics. Jim
     
  15. ewomack

    ewomack Senior Member Supporter

    The Nazis almost always tilted the Swastika so it stands on a point, unlike many other versions where it rests on a flat side.

    This image demonstrates the difference. Left = not Nazi. Right = Nazi.
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    This may not be true 100% of the time, but it seems to be true the vast majority of the time. Nazi flags, uniforms and even the coins posted have the Swastika positioned the same way.
     
  16. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Supporter

    True, the swastika on the left is not a nazi symbol, but mostly because of the dots. (Probably Hindu/Indian, not sure.) There are quite a few nazi swastikas, mostly but not only in their architecture, where the "central bars" are + shaped, not x shaped. As far as I know, the "x type" was preferred because it looked more dynamic ...

    Christian
     
  17. ewomack

    ewomack Senior Member Supporter

    Yes, that's why I said "the vast majority of the time."
     
  18. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Active Member

    I understand the difference between the historic significant coins and the horror that occurred in NAZI held Germany and other countries. I was very fortunate to see a great deal of things gone wrong in the country during WW II. Many of you or your families served in the military during WW II. My father was a medic corpsman during WW II in a submarine in the South Pacific. I had several uncles serving and dying during the invasion. My father joined the army after WW II as a medic. His next war was in Korea and then Vietnam. My father, brother and I served in Vietnam together. My father earned his 3rd Purple Heart running to a bunker during an attack. My brother was in the navy off the coast of Vietnam thinking he was safe, when his shipped got hit by mortar shelling...his Purple Heart. I was the lucky one. I was never hit by enemy fire, but I did see the horrors of that war. I was a Law Clerk for the Staff Judge Advocate's Office. I recorded over 300 courts martial while I was there. Many were related to drugs where our men (and women) got a little escape from the war by smoking or shooting up. As far as NAZI coins and anything else related to it, my father would not let me have anything with the symbol. One other hobby is building airplanes. I didn't like the war, but I loved their airplanes. The same goes for coins. I lived in Germany from 1953 to 1957 when my father worked in Landstuhl. I saw Germany's destruction after all of our bombing and fighting. Children with cigarettes in one hand or mouth and the other with a bottle of beer because their families were all dead to teach them the way to live. I loved the people, but not their history. In 1964, we returned to France where I finished my senior year of high school living in a dormitory and seeing my parents on weekends. President Charles de Gaulle decided not to renew the U.S. leases on military bases, so the night I went to my graduation, we moved to Mannheim, Germany. You could not tell that there had been a war in Germany, although, France was still getting aid from the U.S. to build up the country.
    Sorry for the history. I lived a lot of it. I love coin collecting. I love you guys. And, I love the United States. We are a proud nation and every other country wants our "riches", so they make war or destroy anything American. Keep up the great work!
     
  19. rebeldevil89

    rebeldevil89 New Member

    Great table medal, thank you for sharing!

    Congrats on adding some 3rd Reich coins to your collection they look great.

    Here's a few of mine:
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  20. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I bought this one because it did not have a swatstika. I had my choice between 2 coins 1 with and 1 without, and it is still a coin of the third reich-1936- PhotoEditor_20191105_174315117.jpg
     
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  21. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Supporter

    Hindenburg was an "interesting" figure - on one hand he was not exactly fond of Hitler and the nazis in general, on the other hand he was not actually a democrat either. Yes, he was the democratically elected president of the Deutsches Reich (first elected in 1925, then re-elected, stayed in office until he died). But it was him who appointed Hitler in 1933. In the previous election the nazi party got "only" 32 percent of the votes, but that was the biggest share. In the Weimar Republic (1919-33) the president had much more political power than the federal president in today's Germany - he could dissolve the parliament, and basically appoint anybody who he thought could get a working majority.

    Hindenburg was primarily a WW1 "hero" and a military, not so much a political figure. Certainly not the best person to represent this young democracy (Weimar Rep.) but in the late 20s/early 30s, the alternatives were a nazi and a communist. Whether the nazis "instrumentalized" Hindenburg in 1932/33, whether he believed the new nationalist government (initially not just nazi ministers) would be the best for the country ... hard to tell. Since the previous governments (chancellors Papen and Schleicher) had already preferred an authoritarian approach, Hindenburg may have believed the difference would not be that big.

    Interestingly, Hindenburg had been portrayed on a Weimar Republic coin before: In 1929 two pieces (3 and 5 RM) commemorated the tenth anniversary of the constitution. Both show an oath hand on one side ... and the eagle on the other side? Nah, Hindenburg. Today's Germany (the Federal Republic) does not feature living people on its coinage, but maybe in those years some people thought of Hindenburg as some kind of ersatz Kaiser. ;)

    Christian
     
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