These are rare coins?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Viacheslav, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. Kentucky

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  3. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Hello @Viacheslav,

    The first coin from the group shown in your OP is - if authentic - a very rare and interesting piece.
    It should read on the obv:

    DN MAIORI - ANVS PT/F AVG; diademed draped bust right

    and rev:

    VICTORI - IA AVGGG; Emperor standing, head to left, holding right hand on kneeling captive's head and a standard in his left hand

    R V in the exergue for Ravenna mint.

    I gather its an AE3/4 of Majorian minted at the Court of Ravenna around 457-458 and as I said if real is a very rare and interesting coin, referenced in RIC X p. 401 #2620-2621. I could not find another for comparison among the known auctions.

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    Can you please provide better pictures and measurements of weight and diameter for it? Because if real, it's the star of your collection.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2017
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  4. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    Thanks for an appreciation.
    Tomorrow I will make the photo at a bright sun is more better, and I will also write the weight and diameter of this coin.
     
  5. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    I have made these photos this morning. Choose the best.
    Coin weight = 1,1 grams. Diameter is 9 mm.
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  6. Eduard

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    That as of Galba with the wreath in the reverse is also quite scarce, and from the picture it is a very nice coin.
    This type is relatively common for Galba, but primarily on his denarii and sestertii.
    Asse and dupondi of the oak-wreath type are quite scarce.
     
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  7. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    Thank you.
     
  8. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry but I can't make anything of these pictures. What caught my attention yesterday was the color and the surface: the smooth surface on the face of the bust and rather rough in the fields and the color - red copper underneath the blackish surface.
    Is it possible for this coin to have been covered with paint to act like a "patina" and disguise obvious signs of forgery?
    If you want, you could check if the coin is painted over by brushing it with cotton buds dipped in nail polish remover. If the coin was painted, the paint will come off, if it's real patination it will not affect the coin at all.
    I have seen some forgeries for 5th century rare bronzes being offered on ebay from Serbia and Croatia, so if you bought yours from there, it might be a bad sign.

    Or you could just take it to an authentication expert.
    Hopefully it's authentic and I'm just being paranoid.
     
  9. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    OK,
    Thanks for your answer.
    But I have bought this coin in this heap of coins for 70 dollars.
    I don't believe that the seller (his hobby - the metal detector) will do a fake of this coin. And to make a fake этоф coins - it is necessary to find the real coin.
     
  10. Viacheslav

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  11. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, introducing fakes into a bunch of "uncleaned" so-called metal-detecting finds is quite widespread among ebay dealers. Not all have their sense of honesty and ethics with them when they want to sell their lots.
    I'm not calling your coin fake, I can't make an opinion on just the pictures, but rather I think that you should get an expert opinion on it with the coin in hand rather than blurred pictures.
    It's a very rare type and thus potentially very valuable, there just a handful of specimens known, so I think it would be worth asking for it to be authenticated.
     
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  12. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    OK.
    Tomorrow I will try to clear a coin as you advised me.
     
  13. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    If you have doubts of any kind, do not proceed with my advice. And if you do decide to proceed do not add chemicals other than nail polish remover and be very gentle when you scrub it with the cotton buds.
    It would be a shame to damage such a rarity if it's actually authentic.

    I think a better course of action would be to try to get it authenticated, perhaps by a numismatist at your local museum if no private independent authentication services are available in Russia.

    Alternatively, you could ask on as many venues as you can for the expertise of advanced numismatists and collectors. Your first stop now should be going to Forvm and asking there about it. Add the info I have provided you about the type, add the reservations about the overall look of the coin and its possible faults and signs of it being a forgery, and see what the users there have to say.

    The ambiance there is not as friendly as it is here but maybe someone who knows more about forgeries than I do will observe something that I haven't.

    I also would like to invite @Valentinian, @Victor_Clark, @ValiantKnight, @Brian Bucklan and @FitzNigel to take a look at it and add their opinion on the issue.

    Hope we'll figure this one out!
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2017
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Also I'm not sure whether we have Mr. Lars Ramskold with us here, if we do and someone else knows his alias, his input would also be very valuable.
     
  15. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    Well, thanks з and your council - I will try to clean a little nail varnish to calm myself.
    But I hold a coin and is sure for 99 percent that a coin real. (I collect antique coins 12 years).
    After attempt to clean a coin I will expose this coin on the Forum for discussion.
     
  16. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    Well, I will make to him the invitation.
     
  17. Viacheslav

    Viacheslav Member

    Dear Mr. Lars Ramskold - I invite you to discussion of this coin.
     
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