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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4611988, member: 85693"]I've been picking up un-attributed lots of Greek AEs on eBay and wound up with two Danubian Celt imitations of Macedon "trident" issues of Philip V/Perseus (and one original Macedonian issue), all within the last month or so. Fortunately FORVM had some very detailed examples, or I'd still be figuring these out. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are several types of these, according to Malloy, but without the book, Malloy types are unclear to me; I guessed based on FORVM listings. The imitations are all over the place, from fair copies to crude. Mine are crude. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1142225[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Danubian Celts, Serdi Æ 18</b></p><p><b>Macedonia</b> <b>Kingdom Imitative</b></p><p><b>for Philip V / Perseus</b></p><p><b>(c. 168-31 B.C.)</b></p><p><b>Serdi, Moesia tribal mint</b></p><p>Head of river god Strymon right, reed-wreathed / Trident, stylized dolphin ornaments, monograms, blundered partial inscription. </p><p>Malloy Danubian Celts D4A?</p><p>(5.84 grams / 18 mm) </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Notes: </b>"Celtic imitative of a rare Macedonian issue struck under Philip V or Perseus, 187-168 B.C. The choice was appropriate for the Serdi Celts as the river</p><p>Strymon runs through the Serdi region." FORVM</p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1142239[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Danubian Celts, Serdi Æ 18</b></p><p><b>Macedonia</b> <b>Kingdom Imitative <b>for Philip V / Perseus</b></b></p><p><b>(c. 168-31 B.C.)</b></p><p><b>Serdi, Moesia tribal mint</b></p><p>Head of river god Strymon right, reed-wreathed / Trident, stylized dolphin ornaments, monograms, blundered inscription. </p><p>Malloy Celts F3B or B3C?</p><p>(5.44 grams / 18 x 16 mm)</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is the Macedonian original model - or a good Celtic copy. Despite the poor condition, it looks more Greek than Celtic, and the reverse legend is not blundered: </p><p> [ATTACH=full]1142229[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Macedonia Kingdom Æ 18 </b></p><p><b>Autonomous Issue</b></p><p><b>Philip V / Perseus</b></p><p><b>(c. 185-168 B.C.)</b></p><p><b>Uncertain Macedonia mint</b></p><p>Head of the river god Strymon right, wearing grain wreath / [M]AKE[ΔONΩN], ttrident head, monogram above; & below.</p><p>SNG Copenhagen 1298-9 var.</p><p>(5.44 grams / 18 x 16 mm)</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Notes: </b></p><p>"H. Gaebler has proved that Philip, probably about B.C. 185, allowed his subjects to issue small silver and bronze coins in the name of the whole people, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΩΝ, his own name being omitted..."</p><p>FORVM[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4611988, member: 85693"]I've been picking up un-attributed lots of Greek AEs on eBay and wound up with two Danubian Celt imitations of Macedon "trident" issues of Philip V/Perseus (and one original Macedonian issue), all within the last month or so. Fortunately FORVM had some very detailed examples, or I'd still be figuring these out. There are several types of these, according to Malloy, but without the book, Malloy types are unclear to me; I guessed based on FORVM listings. The imitations are all over the place, from fair copies to crude. Mine are crude. [ATTACH=full]1142225[/ATTACH] [B]Danubian Celts, Serdi Æ 18 Macedonia[/B] [B]Kingdom Imitative for Philip V / Perseus (c. 168-31 B.C.) Serdi, Moesia tribal mint[/B] Head of river god Strymon right, reed-wreathed / Trident, stylized dolphin ornaments, monograms, blundered partial inscription. Malloy Danubian Celts D4A? (5.84 grams / 18 mm)[B] [/B] [B]Notes: [/B]"Celtic imitative of a rare Macedonian issue struck under Philip V or Perseus, 187-168 B.C. The choice was appropriate for the Serdi Celts as the river Strymon runs through the Serdi region." FORVM [ATTACH=full]1142239[/ATTACH] [B]Danubian Celts, Serdi Æ 18 Macedonia[/B] [B]Kingdom Imitative [B]for Philip V / Perseus[/B] (c. 168-31 B.C.) Serdi, Moesia tribal mint[/B] Head of river god Strymon right, reed-wreathed / Trident, stylized dolphin ornaments, monograms, blundered inscription. Malloy Celts F3B or B3C? (5.44 grams / 18 x 16 mm) Here is the Macedonian original model - or a good Celtic copy. Despite the poor condition, it looks more Greek than Celtic, and the reverse legend is not blundered: [ATTACH=full]1142229[/ATTACH] [B]Macedonia Kingdom Æ 18 Autonomous Issue Philip V / Perseus (c. 185-168 B.C.) Uncertain Macedonia mint[/B] Head of the river god Strymon right, wearing grain wreath / [M]AKE[ΔONΩN], ttrident head, monogram above; & below. SNG Copenhagen 1298-9 var. (5.44 grams / 18 x 16 mm) [B]Notes: [/B] "H. Gaebler has proved that Philip, probably about B.C. 185, allowed his subjects to issue small silver and bronze coins in the name of the whole people, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΩΝ, his own name being omitted..." FORVM[/QUOTE]
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