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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 630302, member: 57463"]<b>Alexander the Great as Herakles</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>CWTokenman, thanks for the longish summary. I could take issue with several points. The myth is variously interpreted. But all in all you identified the monetary elements. The racialist elements include the yellow Winkies, the Munchkins <b>and</b> the Flying Monkeys. (Don't forget them.) The field of poppies, too, has meaning. But, again, thanks for all that work. It helps to set the stage.</p><p><br /></p><p>Eric L, you miss the point. First of all, the argument is that regardless of what Baum said (and regardless of Littlefield's retraction later), the imagery is inherent in the story because it was inevitably drawn from the social currents of the day. Baum could not help but use those analogies unless he actively and consciously sought to avoid them. </p><p><br /></p><p>When someone says "last stand" do you assume they refer to the last taxi stand in the pickup lane at the airport? When someone says "Pearl Harbor" do you think of The Pearl by Ernest Hemingway? Monica Lewinsky's Dress. Haliburton. Enron. Meltdown. Bailout. How about a "cat" named "Britney." </p><p><br /></p><p>If it was arguable, it would have been argued. Instead four or five academic writers have jumped on the bandwagon (allusion there) and added their elements. </p><p><br /></p><p>That said, I agree that there are questions to be raised, but they go deeper than Baum's own disingenuous denials: "Aw, shucks, folks, garsh and heck, it's just a story."[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 630302, member: 57463"][b]Alexander the Great as Herakles[/b] CWTokenman, thanks for the longish summary. I could take issue with several points. The myth is variously interpreted. But all in all you identified the monetary elements. The racialist elements include the yellow Winkies, the Munchkins [B]and[/B] the Flying Monkeys. (Don't forget them.) The field of poppies, too, has meaning. But, again, thanks for all that work. It helps to set the stage. Eric L, you miss the point. First of all, the argument is that regardless of what Baum said (and regardless of Littlefield's retraction later), the imagery is inherent in the story because it was inevitably drawn from the social currents of the day. Baum could not help but use those analogies unless he actively and consciously sought to avoid them. When someone says "last stand" do you assume they refer to the last taxi stand in the pickup lane at the airport? When someone says "Pearl Harbor" do you think of The Pearl by Ernest Hemingway? Monica Lewinsky's Dress. Haliburton. Enron. Meltdown. Bailout. How about a "cat" named "Britney." If it was arguable, it would have been argued. Instead four or five academic writers have jumped on the bandwagon (allusion there) and added their elements. That said, I agree that there are questions to be raised, but they go deeper than Baum's own disingenuous denials: "Aw, shucks, folks, garsh and heck, it's just a story."[/QUOTE]
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