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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1686930, member: 66"]As with most stories about a great public upraor, there wasn't one. Not really enough time. The coins were released on Mon Aug 2nd. That evening a reporter asked for a statement about the initials and asked if they could be considered a form of advertising, and wasn't advertising like that illegal on US coins. To me that seems to indicate that the reporter is planning to stir up something. Assistant Treasury Secretary Norton (The person asked by the reporter) asked Mint Superintendent Landis about it on Aug 4th and Treasury Secretary MacVeigh decided to suspend coinage on the 5th until a decision was made. </p><p><br /></p><p>Chief Engraver Barber was consulted on the matter. Now remember Barber was strongly against ANY outsiders designing US coins. He was definitely against using just a B for Brenner lest people be confused that HE designed the coin. He did say that the initials could be added elsewhere but making new master hubs would take 14 days. Just grinding the initials off the master die and making new dies and hubs would only take three days, and the country was in short supply of cents and needed production to restart as soon as possible. With that last argument the choice to just grind off the initials and continue was the obvious choice.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Not really, there was no complaint about the initials of Mint Engravers Longacre, Barber, and Morgan. There was no outcry against the initials of Saint-Guadens, or Bela Pratt. The problem with Brenner's appears to most likely have been a "created" uproar. Later there was no problem with Fraser, or MacNeil. Weinman's prominent initials seems to have gotten some comment but no complaints. The first REAL objection to designers initials seems to be the JS on the dime in 1946. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Common story based on the Name below the base patterns of 1836 but there are two problems with the story. There are only about 18 of these coins Not really enough to have created a great widespread public outcry if they had been put into circulation. Secondly, from die rotation studies it appears that ALL of the name below base patterns are restrikes made in the late 1850's. So they would have had nothing to do with it. The actual coins issued into circulation in 1836 had his name on the base. If there has actually been a lot of objections I would not have expected all the coins issued in 1837 to have also had the name on the base. The name was ground off the hub before patterns were made in 1838, and the same altered hub was used to make the dies used for circulation coins in 1839. Even so the mintage of the dollar coins in 1836 and 1837 was so small that for all practical purposed no one ever saw them, so how could there be that much of an outcry?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Schlag's initials didn't appear because when he submitted his designs he didn't know he could include his initials. His initials were added in 1966 and that was NOT after his lifetime. The first two coins with his initals on them were presented to him. Schlag died in 1974.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 1686930, member: 66"]As with most stories about a great public upraor, there wasn't one. Not really enough time. The coins were released on Mon Aug 2nd. That evening a reporter asked for a statement about the initials and asked if they could be considered a form of advertising, and wasn't advertising like that illegal on US coins. To me that seems to indicate that the reporter is planning to stir up something. Assistant Treasury Secretary Norton (The person asked by the reporter) asked Mint Superintendent Landis about it on Aug 4th and Treasury Secretary MacVeigh decided to suspend coinage on the 5th until a decision was made. Chief Engraver Barber was consulted on the matter. Now remember Barber was strongly against ANY outsiders designing US coins. He was definitely against using just a B for Brenner lest people be confused that HE designed the coin. He did say that the initials could be added elsewhere but making new master hubs would take 14 days. Just grinding the initials off the master die and making new dies and hubs would only take three days, and the country was in short supply of cents and needed production to restart as soon as possible. With that last argument the choice to just grind off the initials and continue was the obvious choice. Not really, there was no complaint about the initials of Mint Engravers Longacre, Barber, and Morgan. There was no outcry against the initials of Saint-Guadens, or Bela Pratt. The problem with Brenner's appears to most likely have been a "created" uproar. Later there was no problem with Fraser, or MacNeil. Weinman's prominent initials seems to have gotten some comment but no complaints. The first REAL objection to designers initials seems to be the JS on the dime in 1946. Common story based on the Name below the base patterns of 1836 but there are two problems with the story. There are only about 18 of these coins Not really enough to have created a great widespread public outcry if they had been put into circulation. Secondly, from die rotation studies it appears that ALL of the name below base patterns are restrikes made in the late 1850's. So they would have had nothing to do with it. The actual coins issued into circulation in 1836 had his name on the base. If there has actually been a lot of objections I would not have expected all the coins issued in 1837 to have also had the name on the base. The name was ground off the hub before patterns were made in 1838, and the same altered hub was used to make the dies used for circulation coins in 1839. Even so the mintage of the dollar coins in 1836 and 1837 was so small that for all practical purposed no one ever saw them, so how could there be that much of an outcry? Schlag's initials didn't appear because when he submitted his designs he didn't know he could include his initials. His initials were added in 1966 and that was NOT after his lifetime. The first two coins with his initals on them were presented to him. Schlag died in 1974.[/QUOTE]
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