The Usual - Photographing Proof Coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by kanga, Nov 12, 2020.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    This is the best I've done -- so far.
    The coin is in an NGC slab.
    And in hand there's no question that it's a proof.
    VERY mirror-like in the fields.
    But I can't capture that look.

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    The camera is a Nikon D90 SLR.
    The lens is a Nikkor AF-S Micro 60mm 1:2.8 G ED.
    The light is a single OTT-LITE with a white light tube (color temperature ~5500K)

    Suggestions, please.
     
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  3. Paddy54

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  4. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I get good results with just a cell phone camera and a 20x loupe. A little distortion around the edges but I don’t mind
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  5. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    I find three lights best for slabbed coins. One overhead and two adjustable brightness lamps either side. Play with the brightness and position of these two until you get the image you want. This is in an airtite capsule
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  6. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    What mode are you using?
    What ISO?
    What aperture (f/stop)?
    What shutter speed?

    I usually don't get very good results with only one light bulb. Depending on the coin, two or three get me the best results.
     
  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I too use this method . For really close up I use a USB microscope.
     
  8. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I tend to use a minimum of 3 lights. Proofs can be a real pain to shoot, especially if there is no cameo on the devices involved. Unless a proof coin has gorgeous toning, I typically shoot it so the fields go black. To do this, I aim the lights at the coin at a low angle, that way the light reflects way from the lens.

    Now if the coin has no frosty devices, such as you find with the 1950 Dime you have above, then I light the field so that it gives a strong black and white contrast, indicating the mirrored fields and devices. Here is a 1950 Proof dime just like the one you posted in the OP. But the key is multiple lights.

    The obverse had fairly deeply curved fields, so the contrast affect is much easier to see in the fields and suggests that they are very reflective.
    1950-Proof-Dime-Axial-Lighting-Obverse.jpg

    The reverse fields are very flat and reflect the light uniformly. Therefor they go almost white with a strong contrast to the areas of the devices that don't reflect the light, again, suggesting very reflective surfaces.
    1950-Proof-Dime-Axial-Lighting-Reverse.jpg

    Here is the Franklin Half from the same set.

    1950-Proof-Half-Dollar-Axial-Lighting-Obverse.jpg 1950-Proof-Half-Dollar-Axial-Lighting-Reverse.jpg

    And the Washington Quarter.
    1950-Proof-Quarter-Obverse.jpg 1950-Proof-Quarter-Reverse.jpg

    To achieve this look, just adjust the angle that the light is projected down onto the surface of the coin. A higher angle of light will light up the fields. You can very easily see that these coins are all proofs and not typical business strike coins.
     
  9. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    I tried something similar the other day and they came out rather well
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  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    With all deference to the previous posters, I am personally not a fan of the universally bright white fields. To me, they're overlit and can't even begin to show the condition of the coin. While it's almost unavoidable to have bright spots, with proper light placement you can limit that to show both the contrast of the coin, the details of the fields, and the texture of the devices.

    Keep in mind, I don't really own any proof coins and these are both prooflike (business strike) examples. However, the surfaces are similar. Both of these coins used 3 lights.

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  11. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    I have to agree. After that experiment with lighting I won't be repeating it. Even though it does separate the fields from the devices, the end result is not remotely close to the actual look of the coin.
     
  12. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    -- Manual focus
    -- ISO 1000
    -- f/11 (want depth of field)
    -- Auto select
     
  13. jamor1960

    jamor1960 The More I learn, the Less I know....

    These were taken with my phone and a mixture of overhead LED lighting and natural light. 2007 American Silver Eagle Proof RE.jpg 2007 American Silver Eagle Proof OB.jpg 2007 American Silver Eagle Proof OB.jpg
     
  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Try playing around with some of these settings. Your camera probably has an "aperture priority" mode. Try using that if you aren't already (as opposed to full manual mode).

    Your ISO is *extremely* high compared to what most coin photographers use. Try bumping that down to ISO 200, or even 100.

    Somewhere around f/11 is usually what I use - and the advantage of using aperture priority mode is that it selects the shutter speed (that might be what you're using already). If you have enough light on the coin, shutter speed is going to be around 1/16 to 1/10 of a second.

    So, biggest things I'd recommend based on your settings: add *at least* one more light, and knock that ISO down a good bit.
     
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  15. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Thanks.
    I'll give changing the ISO setting a try.
    The 1000 works well with ordinary toned 19th century coins.
    But I knew proofs are a whole different story.
    And I'll add a second OTT-LITE.
     
  16. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    Also make sure you keep your light sources very high and close in near to your lens. From the lighting in the OP, it appears your lights may be quite low - possibly even below the height of your lens.
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    So, if I get you for a Secret Santa, I know what to get you... :)
     
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