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  1. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

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  3. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    He was a miserable emperor but I really like his coins ,Alexius III that is , the saint next to him is Saint Constantine founder of Constantinople. etc. etc.
    Here is one of my favorites. I have shown it before but ,,, What the heck.
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  4. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I just got my first Alexius III last month - not as nice as BenSi's, but it is my only one. It came in a Littleton flip, which is what I based my attribution on (corrections always welcome):
    Byz - Alexius III Angelus-Comnenus trachy lot May 2020 (0).jpg
    Alexius III Angelus-Comnenus
    Æ Trachy
    (1195-1203 A.D.)
    Constantinople Mint

    KE RO[HQEI], [IC]-XC, bust of Christ facing holding scroll / [ALEZIW DECP TW KOM]NHNW Alexius & St Constantine holding labarum & cross on globe
    SB 2013; BMC 20ff.
    (2.80 grams / 26 x 23 mm)
     

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  5. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Who's this guy and where was this silly thing struck?

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  6. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    Michael VIII Palaeologus. Thessalonica mint.
    SBCV 2303 , DOC vol.V.169-170 , Gr 1377, PCPC 76 .
     
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  7. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

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    Manuel, SBCV-1966 with a star in the Field.
     
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  8. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Good job, SBCV was my next source. Trachys can be trouble. Congrats.
    Fun coin for all of us to enjoy.
     
  9. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    Okay, Trachys come in all sizes. This little fellow is interesting

    15mm ( At widest point)

    .7gm

    Obv, Bust of Christ, Rev Warrior Saint, Michael or George or ...
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    Picture darkened for detail. Any ideas? I know it is post 1203ad but not too late.
     
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  10. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    Looks like clipped trachy Latin Rulers of Constantinople.
    Facing bust of Christ, holding Gospels and raising right hand.
    Archangel Michael standing facing, holding cross on globe.
    SBCV 2036
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  11. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Thanks for this, Quant.Geek. I've never seen any description of how they were struck ...at all, never mind remotely as cogent as this.
    I have a few, but I doubt there are any good pictures. ...Wait, in a couple of instances, the field legends were major selling points. Have to look around, and maybe come back here.
    ...Your examples are top drawer, incidentally.
     
  12. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Trachy's is indeed a challenge. When you get a well struck one it is a real treasure.
    Here is a Bulgarian imitation that I had to have. They are hard to find this nice. I have some that probably went through a fire.
     
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  13. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    OOPS, A Gig OOps; Here is the coin I forgot to attach. The mind is a terrible thing to loose.:wacky: Bulgarian Imm. DOC IV pl 26 2.11-2 Joint Image.jpg
     
  14. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    Beautiful portrait on the obverse @Black Friar , it is a different look for Mary.

    Here is one I purchased a decade ago. It was miss attributed as an Alexius III, it is not.
    g3.jpg
    I loved the white metal. I always had the feeling their was some very different about this coin.
    2.258g, 27.2mm,
     
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  15. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...After one guess, I'm going to give up. Is this one Constantine III?
     
  16. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    VD76, that was my first guess. ...Based more on the limitations of my acquaintance with the series, than its extent. But I for one have never seen that kind clipping except in the case of later Latin (/'reduced') issues.
    Someone who actually knows what they're talking about should weigh in here!
     
  17. JohnnyC

    JohnnyC Active Member

    S.2144 of Theodore II or S.2110 of John III - depending on whether you see "OEmmanouhl" (or something like it) on the obverse.

    Anyway, that's how Hendy (or was it Bendall?) allocated these two types - but the ruler's name is never clear so who knows whether they were right.

    Ross G.
     
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  18. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    16 mm/ 0.55 g.
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  19. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    I never realized that there was a second coin it could be, I always thought it was SBCV-2110 Thank you for pointing that out Ross.
     
  20. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    From here, the only example whose .jpgs aren't hiding is this one. It's of John of Nicea, a contemporary of Jean de Brienne's tenure in Latin Constantinople. But even in this instance, the legends in the fields really count. On the right, concave (/'reverse;' more consistently secular) side, the left field could be read --even by someone as illiterate as me-- as 'IWVOI;' something approaching the contemporaneous Greek for 'JONOI.' ...Is this the purest wishful thinking? I'd be glad of anyone's help. COINS, NICEA, JOHN TRACHY, BOTH SIDES.jpg
     
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  21. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Found the trachy pics that were sitting around; they were badly labelled. Here's my Isaak II. Bought for how much of the field legend there is. Right, along the lines of "ISAAKIOS DESPOTH." COINS, BYZ ISAAC ISAAK II, TRACHY OBV.JPG COINS, BYZ ISAAC ISAAK II, TRACHY, REV..JPG
     
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