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All specs in the literature, and particularly those presented by Georganteli and Bendall were open to debate whether both figures were male or male and female.

 

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Do you have Bendall's reference papers? I only have Georganteli and Morrisson's. Been looking for Bendall's paper for ages..

 

What periodical QG?

 

These following papers:

Bendall, S., An Enigmatic Fourteenth-Century Coin, Numismatic Circular 104
Bendall, S., The Dioikitirion Square Trachion Reconsidered, Νομισματικα Ξρονικα 21
Bendall, S., A Further Note on the ‘Dioikitirion Square’ Trachy, Νομισματικα Ξρονικα 23

 

Unfortunately I don't own any of the magazines and I doubt you can find them digitized, like you, I know about them from references.

 

https://www.academia.edu/768803/_A_...Hellenic_Numismatic_Society_Athens_2001_71-93

 

This is Georganteli's article.

 

I know but it fills in some blanks regarding the discussion.

 

The Georganteli's article was the pre-cursor to Bendall's articles. He refutes Georganteli's proposal (even though she is right about the obverse), and provides an alternative theory about John and Alexios Asen. The articles are difficult to get due to the fact that they are in Νομισματικα Ξρονικα, unless someone purchases the journals...

 

Well, I was able to get Simon Bendall's 1996 Numismatic Circular article on these "tokens" from a FORVM member, but there really isn't much information you can gleam from it other than the existing specimens and the older references. I didn't realize Dotchev posted this coin in his book as well:





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Need a reconfirmation on this piece. Latin Trachy SBCV-2021 27.23mm and 2.4gm
No legend besides the Virgin MP OV.

 

I don't think it's 2021, for the emperor here does not hold akakia in left hand but rather a globe surmounted by cross. The die moved, which is why the cross is at an angle and at a distance from the actual globe. It may be S.1965 with a strike flaw or similar.

Here is a saint rather scarcely represented on a coin with some nice lettering still visible, and some fleur-de-lys:

 

What's the answer?

 

It's Theodore II Doukas-Lascaris of Magnesia, 1255/6, S. 2142 with Saint Tryphon on the obverse.

 

This guy is hanging out with a cherub, which is a rather dangerous company. But who is he?

 

This is Sear 2289 of Michael VIII Palaeologus.

Bendall gives it to Constantinople, but it is possibly an issue of Magnesia - see here:

http://www.glebecoins.net/paleos/Ar..._of_Micha/the_magnesian_trachea_of_micha.html

Ross G.

 

Thank you, Ross, how did I not check your site before assigning it to Constantinople. By what I gathered from DOC, this issue is one of the last issues of Michael alone, before the coronation of Andronikos II in 1272, does it seem like a sensible dating to you?

 

S.2289 was included in Weller’s Bergama (Pergamum) “hoard” (DOC V Table 8 C.29) along with two types of Michael VIII & Andronicus II, but I’m not sure what this tells us about its date.

The problem is that it seems that the Bergama hoard was possibly (as Bendall says somewhere) not a genuine hoard but more likely just a grab bag of coins found in the Pergamum region. The 2289 coin could then have come at any time before 1272.

Ross G.

 

I am going to revive this excellent thread once again to ask for a little help. I have two unidentified trachys, and I wanted to see if our experts here agree with my attempt at attribution (forgive the photos - I intend on taking more professional ones later when I have the time)

John II - DOC 10a (vol. IV-1, pg 265) / Sear 1944


Alexius III - DOC 3b (vol. IV-1, pg. 409) / Sear 2013

how close would you say I am? I appreciate the help.

 

You got them both correct.