The Toning Premium Thread

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Lehigh96, Oct 21, 2010.

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  1. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Certainly time is one difference.

    So, in some cases, is the temperature.

    So, in some cases, is the % of sulphur in the surrounding atmosphere.

    So while the end state is the same (i.e. comprised of the same elements), the physics of how the thin film grows -- in more than just time -- is different.

    And it is for this reason, along with others of a more philosophical nature, why I do not believe that distinguishing between natural and artificial toning is as lost of a cause as some might infer from your posts.

    Happy Holidays....Mike
     
    Leadfoot, Dec 25, 2010
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  3. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I was going to say the same thing. I'll guess $1800 instead.

    Tough coin to value -- the next grade up it's a $5k+ coin.
     
    Leadfoot, Dec 25, 2010
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  4. Catbert

    Catbert Evil Cat

    Mike - you're up early......trying to catch Santa, eh?

    I think my coin is interesting from a price and timing perspective. I paid $1500 on the bourse floor, but it sold at a 2005 Heritage auction for $1840. And, I'm not saying I got a deal....who really knows what the coin is worth?

    bahabully, once again, the floor is yours (and you're pretty darn good at this game)!
     
    Catbert, Dec 25, 2010
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  5. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    Merry Christmas all !!
    ngc ms63, this year.
     

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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    You misread my comment, I do not have any examples that I can show you.

    The point is this Mike, as long as the same chemicals/elements, moisture, temeperature etc, even though they may vary in quantity over a given period of time, are used in the AT process then the end result of those things reacting with the coinage metal is going to be the same as it is in the natural process. And if the end result is the same, then there is no way for anyone to ever tell one from the other because you cannot measure things like past temperture, past moisture or time. The only thing that can ever be measured, even by the most advanced scientific instruments or a human is the end result.

    Physics is physics Mike; physical reactions can be speeded up or slowed down by man. But if the same total quantities are used over an altered period of time then the end result will be the same.

    Yes, the philosophical aspect will always be different. But if you can't differentiate with certainty between AT and NT then the philosophical aspect becomes moot.
     
    GDJMSP, Dec 25, 2010
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  7. seasnake

    seasnake Junior Member

    minimum premium $50
     
    seasnake, Dec 25, 2010
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  8. Marauderrt10

    Marauderrt10 Toners rule******

    75
     
    Marauderrt10, Dec 25, 2010
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  9. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    $325
     
    rlm's cents, Dec 25, 2010
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  10. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    $100
     
    Duke Kavanaugh, Dec 25, 2010
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  11. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    Seasnake is the winner !

    $44 delivered from the 'bay.
     
    bahabully, Dec 26, 2010
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  12. seasnake

    seasnake Junior Member

    I'll post a newbie in the morning when I get a good photo going.
     
    seasnake, Dec 26, 2010
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  13. seasnake

    seasnake Junior Member

    NGC MS61 cac sticker[​IMG]
     
    seasnake, Dec 27, 2010
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  14. Marauderrt10

    Marauderrt10 Toners rule******

    650
     
    Marauderrt10, Dec 27, 2010
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  15. seasnake

    seasnake Junior Member

    OK, I cheated and stole a pic from last nights teletrade auction from a coin I bid on but did not win. However, I suspect Marauderr might have also seen this beauty because it went for $650. Well done lad! As I've previously posted I do collect mostly toners but both my record keeping and photo skills are nonexistant so it's difficult for me to add my coins to the thread. In any event M10 is up.
     
    seasnake, Dec 27, 2010
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  16. Marauderrt10

    Marauderrt10 Toners rule******

    J-350 PCGS PR64RB Pop 2

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    Marauderrt10, Dec 27, 2010
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  17. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    $4,715 - no idea on the 'book' value of this one, nor any corresponding premium. very nice and 'most importantly', rare coin there. Toning is a nice adder to this one's rarity imo... I had to google to find a price, and just used the last auction finding for this coin (or it's sister) that I could find..... ie.-cheated. ; )
     
    bahabully, Dec 27, 2010
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  18. Marauderrt10

    Marauderrt10 Toners rule******

    This will be a tough one since the RB pieces never been in auctions ;)
     
    Marauderrt10, Dec 27, 2010
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  19. Kryptonitecomic

    Kryptonitecomic New Member

    $6,000......guess based on thin air as I don't have any experience with selling patterns
     
    Kryptonitecomic, Dec 27, 2010
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  20. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    $6,850
     
    Duke Kavanaugh, Dec 27, 2010
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  21. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    My Google says it should be around $6500.
     
    rlm's cents, Dec 27, 2010
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