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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;V. Kurt Bellman, post: 2797040, member: 71723&quot;]I have a DEEPLY rim and radial toned &#039;64 Kennedy half (greens, purples, russets) that is a stupid ordinary MS63 without the toning, but which NGC graded MS65 last year. It has &quot;beaucoup&quot; marks on it. But because some jabronie stuck it in a snap-close Whitman holder with a cardboard insert that toned it up over a few decades, it&#039;s now a stinking 65?!!? Not in any world that makes sense, pal. I keep it on my desk as a reminder of how stupid the whole toner scene is.</p><p><br /></p><p>What did I do with the original holder? I put a nice &#039;65 Kennedy in it to see how fast 40% silver Kennedies gain in &quot;stupidity value&quot;.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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