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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1505892, member: 26302"]I believe you are a great detective Paul, and that is what makes you a good toned coin collector. You have to take the clues given you, and decide based upon them AT vs NT, because many times intent comes into play. The following are scenarios under which a coin becomes "toned":</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Sitting in a mint bag for 100 years</p><p>2. Sitting in someone's coin cabinet for 100 years</p><p>3. Sitting in someone's dansco for 35 years</p><p>4. Sitting in a damp, old holder for 5 years</p><p>5. XXXXXXX</p><p>6. XXXXX, placed in oven at XXXX for XXXX</p><p>7. Put in high heat with sulphur source for a short period</p><p>8. Chemical toning</p><p><br /></p><p>It was written to be a continuum, all produce "color", yet high numers are clearly AT, low numbers most would say are NT, but there are those in the middle. Was it carelessness for #4 or intentional, #5 and 6 are clearly intentional, (I refuse to give details out to others), but I saw them done with my own eyes and the results. Where is the line drawn? You might say 1-3, and I might agree with you, but 4-6 WILL produce very similar results as 1-3 in terms of color. Surfaces and luster cannot be replicated, though, this is why I concentrate on those personally, and know if someone took a lustrous, nice coin and did 4-6 I might never know it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Not trying to argue AT vs NT Paul since I know we have different views, but that is how I view the continuum. There simply is a grey area. I believe you have demonstrated great proficiency here showing us your prowess at spotting AT and explaining why its AT, its simply my opinion there are some in the middle that will forever be unprovable. </p><p><br /></p><p>Just my opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Chris[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1505892, member: 26302"]I believe you are a great detective Paul, and that is what makes you a good toned coin collector. You have to take the clues given you, and decide based upon them AT vs NT, because many times intent comes into play. The following are scenarios under which a coin becomes "toned": 1. Sitting in a mint bag for 100 years 2. Sitting in someone's coin cabinet for 100 years 3. Sitting in someone's dansco for 35 years 4. Sitting in a damp, old holder for 5 years 5. XXXXXXX 6. XXXXX, placed in oven at XXXX for XXXX 7. Put in high heat with sulphur source for a short period 8. Chemical toning It was written to be a continuum, all produce "color", yet high numers are clearly AT, low numbers most would say are NT, but there are those in the middle. Was it carelessness for #4 or intentional, #5 and 6 are clearly intentional, (I refuse to give details out to others), but I saw them done with my own eyes and the results. Where is the line drawn? You might say 1-3, and I might agree with you, but 4-6 WILL produce very similar results as 1-3 in terms of color. Surfaces and luster cannot be replicated, though, this is why I concentrate on those personally, and know if someone took a lustrous, nice coin and did 4-6 I might never know it. Not trying to argue AT vs NT Paul since I know we have different views, but that is how I view the continuum. There simply is a grey area. I believe you have demonstrated great proficiency here showing us your prowess at spotting AT and explaining why its AT, its simply my opinion there are some in the middle that will forever be unprovable. Just my opinion. Chris[/QUOTE]
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