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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 8354924, member: 26302&quot;]Yeah, I think [USER=24314]@Insider[/USER] is too involved in US coins and their mindset. For all US coins, unburied coins exist. For ancients, that simply is not true. If a coin was not buried it simply ceased to exist, the burial preserved them. However, just like dug US coins, (which US collectors immediately declare &quot;damaged&quot; because they can, non-dug coins exist for such new coins), you will have surface imperfections and dirt adhered to ancients that need to be cleaned. Fact of life if you wish to own these items. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, we simply accept an ancient coin MUST be cleaned after recovery, and the fact cleaning will usually entail some contact with the coin&#039;s surface. Given those facts, if the surface is smoothed a little because of mechanical friction to remove surface contaminants, I call that acceptable. Fields are smooth, so cleaners know any bumps are foreign. Someone taking a dremel to a coin surface of course is intentional altering. Also, to me, any intentional changing of the devices is basically altering the coin, so that is where it changed to me to tooling, which is always unacceptable in my eyes. </p><p><br /></p><p>Modern coins, (which includes 100% of US coins), are little prissy prima donnas in comparison to ancients, and views and assumptions for them are simply incongruous to ancient coins IMHO. Modern coin assumptions have absolutely no place in ancients, where people were collecting, researching, and developing grading systems and standards centuries before the first Pilgrim shot a turkey. I collected US coins for a couple of decades before switching over, so understand exactly how they are bringing this baggage not applicable to us from.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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