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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2877012, member: 19463"]I can accept Insider's definition with very few reservations:</p><p>1. I would add the word "selective" in several places to separate coins whose details were favored as opposed to getting the same treatment as the whole coin. This would allow placing a coin in your pocket or feeding it to a goat as forms of cleaning rather than a term more nefarious.</p><p><br /></p><p>2. "Addition" is a term I don't like because it suggests the possibility of adding material to provide something to cut away. The red letter notes cover this but I'd prefer a word like "modification". Addition is a repair. A repair is not necessarily worse than tooling or even heavy handed smoothing poorly executed. It can be hard to tell if a smoothed or tooled coin has a plug. In general, any modification includes a free licence for lower level sins. Tooled coins are also smoothed; repaired coins are either smoothed, tooled or both and are not required to be noted as such separately. </p><p><br /></p><p>3. No one can show an example of 'good' smoothing unless they are willing to provide before and after images and admit to doing it. This is the classic question of whether a tree falling in an empty forest makes a sound. If you can tell what was done, it could have been done better. If no one can tell it was done..... was it? "All ancients were cleaned" is a situation I can accept as fact. "All smooth coins were smoothed" is conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2877012, member: 19463"]I can accept Insider's definition with very few reservations: 1. I would add the word "selective" in several places to separate coins whose details were favored as opposed to getting the same treatment as the whole coin. This would allow placing a coin in your pocket or feeding it to a goat as forms of cleaning rather than a term more nefarious. 2. "Addition" is a term I don't like because it suggests the possibility of adding material to provide something to cut away. The red letter notes cover this but I'd prefer a word like "modification". Addition is a repair. A repair is not necessarily worse than tooling or even heavy handed smoothing poorly executed. It can be hard to tell if a smoothed or tooled coin has a plug. In general, any modification includes a free licence for lower level sins. Tooled coins are also smoothed; repaired coins are either smoothed, tooled or both and are not required to be noted as such separately. 3. No one can show an example of 'good' smoothing unless they are willing to provide before and after images and admit to doing it. This is the classic question of whether a tree falling in an empty forest makes a sound. If you can tell what was done, it could have been done better. If no one can tell it was done..... was it? "All ancients were cleaned" is a situation I can accept as fact. "All smooth coins were smoothed" is conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE]
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