The Smallest Electrum

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by AncientJoe, Jun 27, 2015.

  1. AncientJoe

    AncientJoe Well-Known Member

    As I alluded to earlier this week, I've been working on fleshing out my "denomination set" of early electrum. I have several of these denominations represented in multiple examples now (as there were particular types I was looking to acquire) but this is a surprisingly tough set to put together, especially when looking for the smallest coins.

    I still am missing the hemi and full stater, the latter of which being one of the more common denominations. I just haven't found the "right" coin yet but am still searching.

    The farthest left coin is my smallest, a 1/192 electrum stater, weighing 0.07 grams. It's a die match to one CNG sold a few years ago as a new discovery piece, making mine the second or third known, and completing my denomination set up to a trite.

    The diameter of these coins is extremely small but the truly incredible attribute is their weight, with the 1/192 and 1/96 being imperceptible and the 1/48th just barely registering on my palm.

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    And their standalone images, taken with my camera (the above were taken with my phone):

    1/192:
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    1/96:
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    1/48:
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    1/24:
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    1/6:
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    1/3:
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    Post your small electrum!
     
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  3. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That is a beautiful selection of electrum coins, AJ. It really is in the group pictures that you get to appreciate their different sizes in the context of your set, not to mention the various colours to be seen in the alloy.
     
  4. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Amazing set! I really like the electrum with the cent as it puts them into perspective. Don't own any electrum...so all I can do here is gawk.
     
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  5. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    No electrum here either. These look like really fun pieces, aside from the historical information. I wouldn't mind getting a teeny weeny one.
     
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  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yeah, what Jwt said. Add me to the list of gawkers! What a marvelous, charming set!
     
  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow AJ => that's a very cool collection of electrum winners!!

    I only have this one seemingly gigantic example!! (1/6th Stater)


    ;)

    LESBOS, Mytilene. EL Hekte – Sixth Stater
    Circa 478-455 BC
    Diameter: 10 mm
    Weight: 2.48 grams
    Obverse: Ram’s head right
    Reverse: Incuse bull’s head right
    Reference: Bodenstedt Em. 27; HGC 6, 954
    Other: 12h ... Good Fine

    Lesbos Mytilene.jpg lesbos side a.jpg


    => but it's still pretty cool

    :rolleyes:
     
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  8. harris498

    harris498 Accumulator

    Incredibly neat!
     
  9. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    +1
     
  10. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great looking set of some very interesting coins.
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It is a real eye opener at how small you can go and still have impressive detail but also that coins smaller than that exist. The next step is to replace the last couple with more detailed examples if they exist. Of the group, I find the 1/24 best because it has minor details on the minor details - dots left of the eye and a ridge on the edge of the eye. The cutter was really skilled.
     
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  12. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Amazing stuff, especially to see them all grouped together.
     
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  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Beautiful Set. Thanks for sharing. Christmas will be here in 181 days.
     
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  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yeah and AJ should play Santa.
     
  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    DearSanta.jpg
    lined paper background from this source; child's drawing from here.

    Guess I can't complain, really, since I have a pretty nice little electrum baby. More would be nice though :D.

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    KINGS OF LYDIA, temp. Ardys - Alyattes
    620-546 BC

    EL trite. Sardes mint.
    Obv: head of roaring lion right, sun with four rays on forehead
    Rev: two incuse square punches
    Ref: Weidauer Group XV, 64; BMC 2

    This coin weighs as much as sixty-eight 1/192 staters. Mind-boggling!
     
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  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

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    Wha?!!! => nuthin' but coal for you, b-otch

    :eek:

    Just jokes (very sweet electrum addition, Princess) ...

    ... but I'm confused, what ith-of-a-stater is your sweet example? (is it a 1/3rd similar to AJ's example?)

    ... you always make me smile, my friend

    :rolleyes:
     
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  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    His 1/192 stater weighs 0.07 gm. My trite weighs 4.8 gm.

    4.8/0.07 = 68.57. It would take ~68 of his 1/192 staters to equal the weight of my trite.

    I was just marveling at the teensy size of his smallest electrum, using a still-very-small trite for comparison. :)
     
  18. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    So I was correct => your example is the same as AJ's 1/3 Stater?

    Hi

    => we are about to head-off to the croquet/beer-athon ...

    If you get anything from me later tonight, please file it as "drunkinfo"

    => happy Canada Day!!
     
  19. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yes, sorry. I misunderstood your question :oops:. Trite, aka 1/3 EL stater.
     
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  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    DearSanta.jpg
    I'm curious. Is that a 4-legged bug? Maybe it's TIF's version of a "ladybug"?
     
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  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    It's just a child's drawing I borrowed from a website (source linked under the original posting). I think it is supposed to be a person. For purposes of this illustration, we'll call it Santa Claus. See the hat? :D
     
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