Featured The Slabbed (NGC/PCGS) AT-QT (Artificial/Questionable Toning) Thread

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I’d suspect there would be a bit more leniency if it was a late 50s/early 60s nickel.

That’s a good point.

 

yeah I would scroll right past that nickel AT

 

Summary of results:
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Coin 1 - Clad Dime (pg.1) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 2 - Franklin (pg. 1) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 3 - CBH (pg. 4) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 4 - Silv PR Ike (pg. 5) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 5 - Peace Dollar (pg. 7) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 6 - Ohio Silv PR 25c (pg. 8) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 11 (AT/QC)
Coin 7 - 1964 MS 25c (pg. 9) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 8 - 1974 Clad PR 25c (pg. 11) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 9 - 85-O Morgan (pg. 12) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC) *no points*
Coin 10 - 1890 IHC (pg. 13) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 11 - 1893 Col. Commem (pg. 14) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 12 - Silver 3c (pg. 15) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 13 - SBA (pg. 16) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 14 - Large Cent (pg. 16) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 15 - Franklin (pg. 17) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 14 (AT/QC)
Coin 16 - 1964 10c (pg. 18) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 17 - 1966 1c SMS 67*(pg. 19) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 18 - Silve 25c (pg. 19) - 10(NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 19 - Peace Dollar (pg. 20) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 20 - 1945 1c (pg. 21) - 14 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 21 - 1964 50c (pg. 22) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 22 - Peace $1 (pg. 23) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 23 - Franklin (pg. 24) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 24 - Jefferson 5c (pg. 24) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 25 - Peace $1 (pg. 25) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 26 - 1947 10c (pg. 26) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 27 - 1940 Walker (pg. 27) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 28 - 1970-S Cent (pg. 28) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 29 - Roanoke Commem (pg. 29) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 30 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 31 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 32 - Long Island Commem (pg. 31) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 33 - New Rochelle Commem (pg. 32) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 34 - 1964 Kennedy (pg. 32) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 35 - Proof Franklin (pg. 32) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 36 - Wheat Cent (pg. 34) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 37 - Wheat Cent (pg. 35) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 38 - Franklin (pg. 36) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 12 (AT/QC)
Coin 39 - Franklin (pg. 37) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 40 - Mercury (pg. 38) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 41 - Silver Washington 25c (pg. 39) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 42 - Clad Ike (pg. 39) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 43 - Silver Kennedy (pg. 39) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 44 - MPL Cent (pg. 40) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 45 - Peace Dollar (pg. 42) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 46 - 1996 Nickel (pg. 43) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 8 (AT/QC)
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NT/MA: 28 total
AT/QC: 18 total

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Points:

ddddd - 13
Lehigh96 - 2
TheFinn - 1
BlackberryPie - 1
EyeAppealingCoins - 1

 

Floor is open...

 

Ngc 64 is even more bright yellow in hand

 

It looks more like some sort of residue than toning. It may be MA to the larger market but not to me.

QC

 

Agree, I was thinking it looks like something on the coin rather than tone. But I don't like it. "AT" not MA.

 

NT

 

I also think the toning looks almost like a residue. Could it also be toning from a pouch (or leather that it was stored in at some point)?

I'm neutral on the coin overall and will go with MA.

 

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let's get some more opinions on this one.

 

QC

 

This has the canary yellow that a well known Ebay coin doctor admitted to creating, and he was able to get a pretty good number of his coins in slabs before the jig was up. It was a huge scandal a few years ago.

I'm going to vote AT.

 

I am AT also.

 

It seems odd to have the toned obv with an untoned ring around it,almost like a pad with some chemical was placed on it,and that even yellow tone that doesn't merge into other colors to any significant degree. I think AT, as well.

 

QC

 

I'm fascinated that the only person that said NT is a metallurgist. How did this tone like this? Why did it tone like this? Is it just me or does it seem like it is sitting on the surface rather than being a chemical reaction at the surface level? How do you explain the bizarre pattern?

 

What do you think about the leather pouch theory for this one?
Are you familiar with the NGC "314" Peace Dollars? Could this be similar to those?

 

I think many of those are AT personally. I don't think all of those are from the same submission though, but there certainly are submissions closely linked that I have long found suspect. I have also yet to see any proof of a "leather pouch" hoard. My understanding is that it was hearsay and innuendo spread at a coin show.

 

The bizarre pattern is precisely why I think it is NT. Are we to believe that the supposed coin doctor was so sloppy as to tone a coin that had a clear impediment to toning at the periphery?

To my eye, the coin experienced some very unusual storage condition but I see nothing about the color or depth of color that would lead me to say AT.

Perhaps the coin had something holding it around the periphery and was then placed in an envelope. Regardless, I don’t see anything that rises to the level of AT. The toning isn’t deep enough to hide any flaws and isn’t dramatic enough to drive a price premium. So here is my question for all you AT guys, why would a coin doctor accept this as his finished product? Why not dip it and start over?