Featured The Slabbed (NGC/PCGS) AT-QT (Artificial/Questionable Toning) Thread

NT - HA doesn't do the best job with color capturing.

 

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Slab Photo

 

MA

 

I guess I blew that one. @Lehigh96 what is your opinion on it?

 

Looks like a natural color progression to me, NT.

 

Why do you think you blew it?

 

ma

 

9 votes for MA/NT not including that of PCGS.

1 vote for AT which was my gut speaking backed by my eyes. I am definitely no expert.

And 68+ at that. I wouldn’t add that to my collection even at 64 money. That’s why I wondered what Lehigh thought of it because he posted it. I feel he is in the AT camp also and I highly respect his opinion as I do all others who chimed in. I guess this is one which could swing either way. I wonder if it resided in a QT slab earlier in his life.

 

I wouldn't let the voting steer your decision. You made some solid observations.
The coin is most likely market graded, that is why it's in a 68+ holder.

 

I have no qualms with the color. I vote NT.

 

The idea in this thread is to post a coin that is graded that you think is AT/QC. So while everyone else but us sees this coin as an MA piece, we do not. I look at this coin and ask, what caused this toning pattern? At first glance, one would think it is a target toned album coin. But upon closer inspection, we find that the very center of the devices are further in the toning progression than the fields that surround them, which is very strange. Perhaps the coin spent both time in an album and an envelope, but alas, the reverse displays a toning pattern much more consistent with album toning and is not toned much at it's center.

The spotting actually helps the originality of the piece, and the elevation chromatics would also indicate an original skin. My real problem with this coin is that about a decade ago, a group of coins (mostly Morgans) hit the market with this exact same magenta/yellow color scheme and they were found to be artificially toned. I can't recall the exact story and the thread is lost forever as it was on the TCCS (Toned Coin Collector's Society) forum. Nevertheless, whenever I see this out of place color scheme, I immediately think of that group of coins. My feeling is that the toning on the reverse is kosher, and maybe even the peripheral toning on the obverse is good, but I just have an uneasy feeling that someone took steps to enhance the obverse toning on this coin. I don't know how, and I can't prove it, but the coin doesn't meet my personal standards for an NT/MA coin.

 

I haven't been here in a while. While there are too many coins to list all of my opinions on, I'd say that EVERY Franklin posted here has been AT. Interestingly enough, if the exact same toning on the 1962-D had been on a 1962 PROOF I'd have said MA on that one. That sort of look on proofs is semi common in Capital Plastic year proof holders. However, on the 1962-D there's no question it is AT.

With regards to the Mercury, if I had just seen the first set of pictures of it I'd have said NT. If I had just seen the second (slab) picture of it I'd have said AT. At this point I'm not sure what to think... it's the sort of coin I'd need to see in my hand to make a determination on.

 

I realize that I should say I'm gonna' post soon, but given that it's almost 11 pm on the left coast, I'm just gonna' post this one right now. It's a PCGS MS65...

 

Summary update will happen after we finish with the coin above.

I’ll say the Quarter has a large distracting spot to the left of Washington’s nose (I see a few others, but I’m not sure if those are reflections from the slab). The color might have come from an album. I’ll go MA.

 

I have a feeling that coin is pretty nice looking in hand. HA's photos aren't the greatest indicators of in hand look. If all I had was that slab shot I'd pass very quickly too though.

Quarter I'll say MA but really not too sure haven't seen one like that before.

 

You mean something like this? I owned this coin for awhile but sold it last year. The Obverse was Semi Proof Like.





This is Great Collections photo.

 

No, that one looks like a bag toned Morgan with a yellow-magenta progression and textile toning. The coins I'm talking about had magenta across the entire coin with yellow in the recesses of the devices and the fields, much like the Mercury Dime I posted. Unfortunately, I don't have a photo of one of these coins.

 

I'm squarely in the NT camp on the Washington Quarter, and I think it is under graded.

 

The two spots would drive me away. But The toning looks good to me.
NT/MA