Featured The Slabbed (NGC/PCGS) AT-QT (Artificial/Questionable Toning) Thread

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  1. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I'm with the AT crowd.
     
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  3. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    It might be and that was one of my thoughts. However, the two times I've seen it sell on eBay, neither seller was edynamicmarketing.
     
  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Summary of results:
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    Coin 1 - Clad Dime (pg.1) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 2 - Franklin (pg. 1) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
    Coin 3 - CBH (pg. 4) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 4 - Silv PR Ike (pg. 5) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 5 - Peace Dollar (pg. 7) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
    Coin 6 - Ohio Silv PR 25c (pg. 8) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 11 (AT/QC)
    Coin 7 - 1964 MS 25c (pg. 9) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 8 - 1974 Clad PR 25c (pg. 11) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 9 - 85-O Morgan (pg. 12) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC) *no points*
    Coin 10 - 1890 IHC (pg. 13) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
    Coin 11 - 1893 Col. Commem (pg. 14) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 12 - Silver 3c (pg. 15) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 13 - SBA (pg. 16) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 14 - Large Cent (pg. 16) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 15 - Franklin (pg. 17) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 14 (AT/QC)
    Coin 16 - 1964 10c (pg. 18) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
    Coin 17 - 1966 1c SMS 67*(pg. 19) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 18 - Silve 25c (pg. 19) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 19 - Peace Dollar (pg. 20) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
    Coin 20 - 1945 1c (pg. 21) - 14 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 21 - 1964 50c (pg. 22) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 22 - Peace $1 (pg. 23) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
    Coin 23 - Franklin (pg. 24) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
    Coin 24 - Jefferson 5c (pg. 24) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 25 - Peace $1 (pg. 25) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 26 - 1947 10c (pg. 26) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
    Coin 27 - 1940 Walker (pg. 27) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 28 - 1970-S Cent (pg. 28) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 29 - Roanoke Commem (pg. 29) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 30 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 31 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
    Coin 32 - Long Island Commem (pg. 31) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 33 - New Rochelle Commem (pg. 32) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 34 - 1964 Kennedy (pg. 32) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
    Coin 35 - Proof Franklin (pg. 32) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 36 - Wheat Cent (pg. 34) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 37 - Wheat Cent (pg. 35) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 38 - Franklin (pg. 36) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 12 (AT/QC)
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    NT/MA: 24 total
    AT/QC: 14 total

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    Points:

    ddddd - 10
    Lehigh96 - 2
    TheFinn - 1
    BlackberryPie - 1
     
  5. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Here's another Franklin. This seller again is not edynamicmarketing and seems to have several other coins with this same pattern. I'm not sure what to think.

    Here is the NGC photo for a less saturated comparison.
    https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/4704167-020/64/

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  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I suspect the coin was dipped previously. Altering the toning pattern.
    I am QC.
    The seller definitely does a better job of selling the pastels near the rim.
     
  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    The photos are overexposed and it isn't nearly as questionable as the last one, but since the toning pattern and color scheme are so similar, I have to say AT/QC for this one as well, but might be willing to change my mind if I saw the coin in hand.

    BTW, I would like to post the next coin, but it won't be till after the Bears game tomorrow night.
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2019
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  8. BlackberryPie

    BlackberryPie I like pie

    After looking at the NGC photos I'll say NT.
     
  9. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns


    Not MA toning, oddly, there appears to be little toning near the rim, like something was slowing the toning 1-2mm around the rim to the fields. Toning normally progresses from the rim and moves inward.

    Obviously, NGC liked how the coin looked overall, it does look pretty, but it's a bit questionable.
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2019
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  10. ron_c

    ron_c Well-Known Member

    I would pass this one by as, to me, it is QC.
     
  11. SlipperySocks

    SlipperySocks Well-Known Member

    QC. I think it is odd to see it blast white in the middle and toned on the edges.
     
  12. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    AT on both Franklins.
     
  13. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

  14. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Summary of results:
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    Coin 1 - Clad Dime (pg.1) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 2 - Franklin (pg. 1) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
    Coin 3 - CBH (pg. 4) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 4 - Silv PR Ike (pg. 5) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 5 - Peace Dollar (pg. 7) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
    Coin 6 - Ohio Silv PR 25c (pg. 8) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 11 (AT/QC)
    Coin 7 - 1964 MS 25c (pg. 9) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 8 - 1974 Clad PR 25c (pg. 11) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 9 - 85-O Morgan (pg. 12) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC) *no points*
    Coin 10 - 1890 IHC (pg. 13) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
    Coin 11 - 1893 Col. Commem (pg. 14) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 12 - Silver 3c (pg. 15) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 13 - SBA (pg. 16) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 14 - Large Cent (pg. 16) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 15 - Franklin (pg. 17) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 14 (AT/QC)
    Coin 16 - 1964 10c (pg. 18) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
    Coin 17 - 1966 1c SMS 67*(pg. 19) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 18 - Silve 25c (pg. 19) - 10(NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 19 - Peace Dollar (pg. 20) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
    Coin 20 - 1945 1c (pg. 21) - 14 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 21 - 1964 50c (pg. 22) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 22 - Peace $1 (pg. 23) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
    Coin 23 - Franklin (pg. 24) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
    Coin 24 - Jefferson 5c (pg. 24) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 25 - Peace $1 (pg. 25) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 26 - 1947 10c (pg. 26) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
    Coin 27 - 1940 Walker (pg. 27) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 28 - 1970-S Cent (pg. 28) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 29 - Roanoke Commem (pg. 29) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 30 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
    Coin 31 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
    Coin 32 - Long Island Commem (pg. 31) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 33 - New Rochelle Commem (pg. 32) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 34 - 1964 Kennedy (pg. 32) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
    Coin 35 - Proof Franklin (pg. 32) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
    Coin 36 - Wheat Cent (pg. 34) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
    Coin 37 - Wheat Cent (pg. 35) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
    Coin 38 - Franklin (pg. 36) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 12 (AT/QC)
    Coin 39 - Franklin (pg. 37) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
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    NT/MA: 24 total
    AT/QC: 15 total

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    Points:

    ddddd - 11
    Lehigh96 - 2
    TheFinn - 1
    BlackberryPie - 1
     
  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    @Lehigh96 go ahead and post the next one.
     
  16. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

  17. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

  18. SlipperySocks

    SlipperySocks Well-Known Member

  19. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I see a few of those orbs on the obverse (like to the left of the Y in Liberty), but I don’t believe this one had anything applied to it.
    I’ll go MA/NT
     
  20. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    I’ll go with AT.

    I think the pink (on the raised surface) transitioning (to the fields) yellow back to pink has me questioning it.

    The lighting also doesn’t look even and it makes the north of the obverse and reverse look more terminally toned than the remainder of the coin.
     
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2019
  21. ron_c

    ron_c Well-Known Member

    NT

    I think most likely the pink color is Magenta or Pomegranate red.
     
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