The rumored 1996 wide AM does exist !!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Chmcc77777, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. Chmcc77777

    Chmcc77777 Lucky777

    It looks like it's been under water or something but I'm not gonna clean it. It was in my pocket change. At first you couldn't see anything on either side but something told me to soak it in some regular water over night and this is what it came out to be. I first heard about this coin on YouTube by Danial on coin help you . To my knowledge none exist does anyone know different?
     
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  3. Handyman

    Handyman Active Member

    Pictures please no pic it doesn't exist.lol
     
  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    YouTube? Really? Most of what you see there is pure misinformation!
     
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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    So then it probably has environmental damage that would affect the copper plating and play tricks on the eye...
     
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Like Mr. P., I don't put much stock in a lot of the stuff posted on BoobTube.

    Chris
     
  7. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

  8. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Well-Known Member

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  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Having the only known example of a 23 year old coin could be suspicious.
    If his coin (1996 Wide AM) is genuine, that means that every coin that reverse die struck would also be wide AM. I don't know the number but that could mean
    200,000 examples are out there.
    Rick was faster on the post. But I doubt there is a 1996 Wide AM if they are all
    supposed to be Close.
     
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  11. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    I actually know Daniel Personally and from everything I have seen that he posts on youtube is to help misinformed collectors. From all of my dealings with him he knows what he's talking about. I haven't seen the video the OP is talking about but i'm pretty sure it's probably just information of said coin discovery by Billy Crawford. OP can you post a link to the video?
     
  12. Chmcc77777

    Chmcc77777 Lucky777

    Just look up wide am vr close am and it's the one that's done by coin help u. First one I believe
     
  13. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Ok I watched it and it is informative. It shows you how to distinguish a WAM and CAM and as I thought he was referencing Billy Crawford 96 WAM find and noted that it is so far one of a kind. I have found many WAM's over the years and I have no idea how many boxes I have searched but I check all 90's and 2000's for WAM and CAM and never came across a 96 WAM. Not to say it's not possible but dont get your hopes up.
     
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  15. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    How can there be only one 1996 WAM?
    It is made from a die ... and the Dies aren't just made "one off" ... they are made from Hubs. So if I understand this correctly, the Mint went through the process to make one Master Hub, one Master Die, and then only one Working Die, and then only made one (or a handful of coins) ?
     
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  16. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    The only way there could be a single die is if a reverse die from another year was used (or an old 1996 obverse die used in a later year), but, as has been noted, there would still be huge numbers made (unless in the farfetched case that an old die was used and immediately fell apart and had to be replaced.) I don't believe it happened. I'm waiting for the "genuine" example to show up from the Beijing mint.
     
  17. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    Whenever you think you have a potential discovery piece, you’re going to need to provide some extraordinary proof to substantiate the extraordinary claim. A reverse die should have struck numerous pieces, and with the widespread knowledge of CAMs and WAMs, it does seem unusual for 23 years to pass before the discovery. In addition, your coin has suffered quite a bit of environmental damage and corrosion, making verification much more difficult. Based on your pics, it does look like the A was damaged as @paddyman98 said, which would explain why you think you’re seeing something.


    Until the coin is verified in hand by a credible expert, it is highly doubtful you have what you think you have. So, either it’s a rumored variety that has somehow eluded discovery for 23 years, or you have an environmentally damaged coin that only you believe is a new reverse. William of Ockham once said that the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. I’ll go with that.
     
  18. agrace97

    agrace97 Member

    I think that is one of my main problems- I started my research on YouTube. Now I have a lot of information that apparently isn’t relative to finding unique coins. :sorry:
     
  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    YouTube, stereotypically, is based on Likes = $$$
    factual information has nothing to do with it ...

    of course, there are factual youtube videos too .. but they are not as exciting as the authentic ones.
     
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  20. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    This is what I am saying, you can't really have just 1.
    And how could no one else ever find another one in 23 years?
     
  21. FooFighter

    FooFighter Just a Knucklehead Coin Hunter

    You can stick with he Daniel videos, because his information is factual. Countless people contact him with high hopes and he sets them straight . Lol
    But this is the site for me. They love me here. HA
     
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