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<p>[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 2106553, member: 73165"]Good point, [USER=10328]@jello[/USER]. Ebay is not the whole world. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The first thing you can do to make sure what you're buying is real is buy it from a reliable dealer. For example, members of the Professional Numismatists Guild all follow the <a href="http://www.pngdealers.org/png-code-of-ethics" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.pngdealers.org/png-code-of-ethics" rel="nofollow">PNG Code of Ethics</a>. Point 7 says they will not knowingly deal in counterfeit or altered material without disclosing it as such, and point 10 requires them to arbitrate any disputes.</p><p><br /></p><p>In practice, what this means is that a PNG member dealer won't knowingly sell you a fake without telling you and will accept a return for a full refund if it's ever discovered to be a fake. Of course, any reputable dealer will do this, but the arbitration clause gives it teeth in the case of PNG members. (Oh, and a lot of ebay sellers are PNG members, too! I'm starting to sound like a PNG commercial, lol.) I suppose if you bought a fake from a dealer who refuses to take it back, you could threaten to get the law involved, but that's a whole different can of worms.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you are purchasing a potentially valuable item (e.g. key date coins) raw, IMHO, beyond a certain level of value, it's always worthwhile to have it certified by PCGS, NGC, or ANACS. Even if you just crack it right out after it comes back and are confident in your ability to authenticate and grade it yourself, the $30 or so in fees is worth the peace of mind in buying a $1000+ coin, IMO. In fact, you should probably make an agreement with the dealer as part of the purchase that if you do this, and it comes back questionable authenticity, they'll buy it back for a full refund. Any reputable dealer will likely agree to this on such a valuable item, and, if not, it could be a good sign that they're not as reputable as they seem. A really great dealer will offer to submit it for you, if you pay the fees.</p><p><br /></p><p>I could talk about testing weight, diameter, magnetism, composition (you can do this non-destructively with specialized equipment), specific gravity, checking die markers, etc, but the most important thing you can do is look at a lot of authentic coins. That way, when a fake comes up, it will look <i><b>wrong</b></i>, and you can proceed to test the piece in detail. And, if you're following what I said in the previous paragraph, <i>you're having all your most valuable purchases professionally authenticated, anyway</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's all I've got for now.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Paul M., post: 2106553, member: 73165"]Good point, [USER=10328]@jello[/USER]. Ebay is not the whole world. :) The first thing you can do to make sure what you're buying is real is buy it from a reliable dealer. For example, members of the Professional Numismatists Guild all follow the [URL='http://www.pngdealers.org/png-code-of-ethics']PNG Code of Ethics[/URL]. Point 7 says they will not knowingly deal in counterfeit or altered material without disclosing it as such, and point 10 requires them to arbitrate any disputes. In practice, what this means is that a PNG member dealer won't knowingly sell you a fake without telling you and will accept a return for a full refund if it's ever discovered to be a fake. Of course, any reputable dealer will do this, but the arbitration clause gives it teeth in the case of PNG members. (Oh, and a lot of ebay sellers are PNG members, too! I'm starting to sound like a PNG commercial, lol.) I suppose if you bought a fake from a dealer who refuses to take it back, you could threaten to get the law involved, but that's a whole different can of worms. If you are purchasing a potentially valuable item (e.g. key date coins) raw, IMHO, beyond a certain level of value, it's always worthwhile to have it certified by PCGS, NGC, or ANACS. Even if you just crack it right out after it comes back and are confident in your ability to authenticate and grade it yourself, the $30 or so in fees is worth the peace of mind in buying a $1000+ coin, IMO. In fact, you should probably make an agreement with the dealer as part of the purchase that if you do this, and it comes back questionable authenticity, they'll buy it back for a full refund. Any reputable dealer will likely agree to this on such a valuable item, and, if not, it could be a good sign that they're not as reputable as they seem. A really great dealer will offer to submit it for you, if you pay the fees. I could talk about testing weight, diameter, magnetism, composition (you can do this non-destructively with specialized equipment), specific gravity, checking die markers, etc, but the most important thing you can do is look at a lot of authentic coins. That way, when a fake comes up, it will look [I][B]wrong[/B][/I], and you can proceed to test the piece in detail. And, if you're following what I said in the previous paragraph, [I]you're having all your most valuable purchases professionally authenticated, anyway[/I]. That's all I've got for now.[/QUOTE]
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