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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 3609153, member: 99456"]Dear [USER=103829]@Jochen1[/USER] - once again I thank you - your effort and expertise are highly valued. Your write-up is both engaging and brutally vivid. This is a time period in the history of the Roman republic period that is most interesting and where I have been adding to my collection (very slowly). The time period so dense with stories that I feel I have only scratched the surface. </p><p><br /></p><p>Just before his attack on Rome, Sulla was driven to the home of Marius by a murderous mob raised by Sulpicius to promote the cause of Marius with the senate. This mob of Marius supporters murdered Sulla's son-in-law Quintus, the son of Pompeius married to Cornelia Sulla, and others.[<a href="http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Sulla*.html#8.1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Sulla*.html#8.1" rel="nofollow">Lives</a>] The republic was damaged by this, and by Sulla's act of turning six legions against Rome, when he didn't accept the manipulation of the senate that gave Marius command of "his" legions. The loyalty and service to the republic became confused with the ambitions of powerful and egotistical leaders - both Marius, and Sulla - and their supporters. The senate and laws became pawns in their ambitions. Julius Caesar was formed during this period - and his confrontation with Sulla is another interesting story.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a related story <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D101" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D101" rel="nofollow">from Appian</a> of Sulla's call for loyalty & threat for disloyalty (with another coin from the time) . Quintus Lucretius Ofella dared to bid for consulship in 81 BC, defying Sulla. Loyalty and obedience to Sulla and loyalty and obedience to the laws of the republic and the values of the Roman republic became confused.</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/c-marius-capito-81-jpg.965603/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><font size="3">AR Denarius, C. Marius Capito (no relation to Marius the consul) 81 BC Obv: Bust of Ceres Rev: Plowman with oxen.</font></p><p><br /></p><p><i>Then Sulla assembled the people and said to them, "Know, citizens, and learn from me, that I caused the death of Lucretius because he disobeyed me." And then he told the following story: "A plowman was bitten by fleas while plowing. He stopped his plowing twice in order to clear them out of his shirt. When they bit him again he burned his shirt, so that he might not be so often interrupted in his work. And I tell you, who have felt my hand twice, to take warning lest the third time fire be brought to bear."</i></p><p>- Appian Bellum Civile 1.11.101</p><p><br /></p><p>Michael Harlan in <a href="https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/roman-republican-moneyers-and-their-coins-81-bce-64-bce/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/roman-republican-moneyers-and-their-coins-81-bce-64-bce/" rel="nofollow">his book on Moneyers 81-64 BCE</a> asks if, perhaps, the story might have inspired the coin or the coin inspired the story...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 3609153, member: 99456"]Dear [USER=103829]@Jochen1[/USER] - once again I thank you - your effort and expertise are highly valued. Your write-up is both engaging and brutally vivid. This is a time period in the history of the Roman republic period that is most interesting and where I have been adding to my collection (very slowly). The time period so dense with stories that I feel I have only scratched the surface. Just before his attack on Rome, Sulla was driven to the home of Marius by a murderous mob raised by Sulpicius to promote the cause of Marius with the senate. This mob of Marius supporters murdered Sulla's son-in-law Quintus, the son of Pompeius married to Cornelia Sulla, and others.[[URL='http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Sulla*.html#8.1']Lives[/URL]] The republic was damaged by this, and by Sulla's act of turning six legions against Rome, when he didn't accept the manipulation of the senate that gave Marius command of "his" legions. The loyalty and service to the republic became confused with the ambitions of powerful and egotistical leaders - both Marius, and Sulla - and their supporters. The senate and laws became pawns in their ambitions. Julius Caesar was formed during this period - and his confrontation with Sulla is another interesting story. Here is a related story [URL='http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0232%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D11%3Asection%3D101']from Appian[/URL] of Sulla's call for loyalty & threat for disloyalty (with another coin from the time) . Quintus Lucretius Ofella dared to bid for consulship in 81 BC, defying Sulla. Loyalty and obedience to Sulla and loyalty and obedience to the laws of the republic and the values of the Roman republic became confused. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/c-marius-capito-81-jpg.965603/[/IMG] [SIZE=3]AR Denarius, C. Marius Capito (no relation to Marius the consul) 81 BC Obv: Bust of Ceres Rev: Plowman with oxen.[/SIZE] [I]Then Sulla assembled the people and said to them, "Know, citizens, and learn from me, that I caused the death of Lucretius because he disobeyed me." And then he told the following story: "A plowman was bitten by fleas while plowing. He stopped his plowing twice in order to clear them out of his shirt. When they bit him again he burned his shirt, so that he might not be so often interrupted in his work. And I tell you, who have felt my hand twice, to take warning lest the third time fire be brought to bear."[/I] - Appian Bellum Civile 1.11.101 Michael Harlan in [URL='https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/roman-republican-moneyers-and-their-coins-81-bce-64-bce/']his book on Moneyers 81-64 BCE[/URL] asks if, perhaps, the story might have inspired the coin or the coin inspired the story...[/QUOTE]
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