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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2583516, member: 10461"]<font face="Georgia"><b>"The Quarrelsome Dr. Prince": "Dr. Will J. Prince" engraving on 1883 Liberty nickel</b></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-coin.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-obv.png" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-obv.png" rel="nofollow">Larger obverse picture</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-rev.png" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-rev.png" rel="nofollow">Larger reverse picture</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Host coin: </b>1883 USA Liberty nickel, reverse subtype indeterminable.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Obverse:</b> original Liberty head design, unaltered. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Reverse:</b> "Dr. Will J. Prince" in script lettering arranged in circular array. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Ex- "acsb-rich", eBay, 11/25/2015.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">While the lettering on this piece was done well enough, the engraving lacks any pictorial elements or particular pizzazz otherwise. Though a Liberty nickel host coin is slightly less common, they're not terribly difficult to find. Coupled with the rather stiff pricetag this had when I saw it, those factors would have normally made me move on and not buy this. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">However, it had a mostly full name on it, so I thought I would see if I could track down this Dr. Will J. Prince. And I did! So I made a counteroffer, negotiated a bit with the seller , and ended up happily buying it.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">My initial web searching brought up the obituary of a Dr. William J. Prince from Oklahoma (1930-2012), and others, but they were all too modern to have been the onetime owner of this coin.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Searching "Dr. Will J. Prince", however (with the abbreviated first name), I found a Dr. Will(iam) J. Prince of Piqua, Ohio (1861-1919), who was the son of another doctor by the same name. He seems to fit the time period of this love token. Is he really our man? We'll never know for sure, but I'd say there's a pretty good chance he is.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">The most interesting thing about Dr. William J. Prince (II) were some of the old newspaper articles I found. He was obviously a prominent man in his community and perhaps known on the state and national level as well.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">But by far the most colorful article I found was a 1904 newspaper account of a physical altercation he engaged in at City Hall with a councilman, while he was serving as president of the Board of Public Safety. (Public? Yes. Safety? Maybe not so much!) But he does seem to have come out on top in the fisticuffs!</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceArticle1-May27-1904.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.newspapers.com/clip/3699274/the_piqua_daily_call/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.newspapers.com/clip/3699274/the_piqua_daily_call/" rel="nofollow">Source link</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.newspapers.com/clip/3699287/dr_will_j_prince/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.newspapers.com/clip/3699287/dr_will_j_prince/" rel="nofollow">Here is another article, this time from 1913</a>. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">It seems our good doctor had his share of friction, but perhaps that was inevitable in politics. The article linked to above is also from the Piqua, Ohio <i>Daily Call</i>, but the Cincinnati papers ran some articles at the time, too. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Then again, I'm not so sure the 1913 article isn't about his son, William J. Prince III. I think he (III) was a doctor as well, and the subject of this article was a nominee for Postmaster. I think I saw somewhere in W.J.P. III's obituary that he had served as a postmaster. So the 1913 article could be about the son (III) rather than the father (II). I think the father is the man who owned the love token coin above, though. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.thetroyhistoricalsociety.org/stories/biograph/biog-ms/0084.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.thetroyhistoricalsociety.org/stories/biograph/biog-ms/0084.htm" rel="nofollow">Here is Dr. Prince (II)'s 1909 biographical entry, transcribed on an Ohio historical society website.</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=37413692" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=37413692" rel="nofollow">Here is his memorial on findagrave.com, which has more family information.</a></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Georgia">Lastly, his grave marker, courtesy of researcher Jenny Brown on findagrave.com.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceGravestone.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Though now sold, this was once part of my <a href="http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=26&threadid=953536&enterthread=y" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=26&threadid=953536&enterthread=y" rel="nofollow">"Oddball Set"</a> of exonumia.</font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2583516, member: 10461"][FONT=Georgia][B]"The Quarrelsome Dr. Prince": "Dr. Will J. Prince" engraving on 1883 Liberty nickel[/B] [IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-coin.png[/IMG] [URL='http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-obv.png']Larger obverse picture[/URL] [URL='http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceLT-007665-rev.png']Larger reverse picture[/URL] [B]Host coin: [/B]1883 USA Liberty nickel, reverse subtype indeterminable. [B]Obverse:[/B] original Liberty head design, unaltered. [B]Reverse:[/B] "Dr. Will J. Prince" in script lettering arranged in circular array. Ex- "acsb-rich", eBay, 11/25/2015. While the lettering on this piece was done well enough, the engraving lacks any pictorial elements or particular pizzazz otherwise. Though a Liberty nickel host coin is slightly less common, they're not terribly difficult to find. Coupled with the rather stiff pricetag this had when I saw it, those factors would have normally made me move on and not buy this. However, it had a mostly full name on it, so I thought I would see if I could track down this Dr. Will J. Prince. And I did! So I made a counteroffer, negotiated a bit with the seller , and ended up happily buying it. My initial web searching brought up the obituary of a Dr. William J. Prince from Oklahoma (1930-2012), and others, but they were all too modern to have been the onetime owner of this coin. Searching "Dr. Will J. Prince", however (with the abbreviated first name), I found a Dr. Will(iam) J. Prince of Piqua, Ohio (1861-1919), who was the son of another doctor by the same name. He seems to fit the time period of this love token. Is he really our man? We'll never know for sure, but I'd say there's a pretty good chance he is. The most interesting thing about Dr. William J. Prince (II) were some of the old newspaper articles I found. He was obviously a prominent man in his community and perhaps known on the state and national level as well. But by far the most colorful article I found was a 1904 newspaper account of a physical altercation he engaged in at City Hall with a councilman, while he was serving as president of the Board of Public Safety. (Public? Yes. Safety? Maybe not so much!) But he does seem to have come out on top in the fisticuffs! [IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceArticle1-May27-1904.png[/IMG] [URL='http://www.newspapers.com/clip/3699274/the_piqua_daily_call/']Source link[/URL] [URL='http://www.newspapers.com/clip/3699287/dr_will_j_prince/']Here is another article, this time from 1913[/URL]. It seems our good doctor had his share of friction, but perhaps that was inevitable in politics. The article linked to above is also from the Piqua, Ohio [I]Daily Call[/I], but the Cincinnati papers ran some articles at the time, too. Then again, I'm not so sure the 1913 article isn't about his son, William J. Prince III. I think he (III) was a doctor as well, and the subject of this article was a nominee for Postmaster. I think I saw somewhere in W.J.P. III's obituary that he had served as a postmaster. So the 1913 article could be about the son (III) rather than the father (II). I think the father is the man who owned the love token coin above, though. [URL='http://www.thetroyhistoricalsociety.org/stories/biograph/biog-ms/0084.htm']Here is Dr. Prince (II)'s 1909 biographical entry, transcribed on an Ohio historical society website.[/URL] [URL='http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=37413692']Here is his memorial on findagrave.com, which has more family information.[/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Georgia]Lastly, his grave marker, courtesy of researcher Jenny Brown on findagrave.com. [IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/WJPrinceGravestone.jpg[/IMG] Though now sold, this was once part of my [URL='http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=26&threadid=953536&enterthread=y']"Oddball Set"[/URL] of exonumia.[/FONT][/QUOTE]
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