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<p>[QUOTE="ambr0zie, post: 8171752, member: 80952"]Well, for me this kind of errors are helpful ... when I find them myself. Educational, to put it so.</p><p>I try to doublecheck whenever possible the attributions, the design symbols, and when I find a misattribution in my own catalog I am almost happy as I learned something new. </p><p>[USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER], if I remember correctly, you bought a Titus denarius with Venus reverse (you know, that reverse) listed as Vespasian. For me, this kind of error from an auction house means they are clumsy.</p><p>[USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER] it is extremely clear that the animal is a camel, but if I look at it, the engraver really had an ostrich in mind.</p><p>... or Road Runner's ancestor?!</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1427610[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>What bothers me more is the incorrect attribution, pointing to a different ruler, or incorrect description, because the action house did not pay attention. </p><p>I have 3 coins in this situation (one on the road and already delayed, grrrr)</p><p><br /></p><p>Bought this coin because I didn't have an Imperial Geta. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1427616[/ATTACH]</p><p>Described as </p><p>Geta 198-212 AD, as Caesar, AR Denarius, Rome Mint, ca. 200-202 AD.</p><p>Obv: P SEPT GETA CAES PONT, bare, draped and cuirassed bust of Geta, seen from behind, right </p><p>Rev: PRINC IVVENTVTIS, Geta in military dress standing left, holding baton and sceptre, to the right trophy </p><p>RIC IV 18 C</p><p><br /></p><p>And yes, after buying it, my total amount of Geta imperial coins remained 0. The legend is not fully visible due to the small flan but the house assumed it's RIC IV 18. </p><p>I just assumed everything is correct and a CT member pointed that the legend, based on what is visible on the left, can only be M AVR ANTON CAES PONTIF, so the coin is a Caracalla as Caesar. </p><p><br /></p><p>In the same auction I bought a coin, this time correctly attributed to Caracalla </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1427618[/ATTACH]</p><p>Caracalla (as Caesar, 196-198) AR denarius. Rome </p><p>M AVR ANTON CAES PONTIF - bareheaded and draped bust right </p><p>Rev: DESTINATO IMPERAT - Implements of the priesthood: lituus, apex, bucranium, and simpulum. </p><p>RIC IV.1 6 note. RSC 53.</p><p><br /></p><p>This time they misread the reverse. The legend is again hidden but one could see it's not DESTINATO IMPERAT.</p><p>My problem was the description (taken from the "correct" coin) "Implements of the priesthood: lituus, apex, bucranium, and simpulum."</p><p>Really? bucranium? the jug is very visible and points clearly to </p><p>Implements of the priesthood: Lituus, axe, jug, simpulum and sprinkler</p><p>RIC IV Caracalla 4</p><p><br /></p><p>Latest error I found is on my latest sestertius (that hopefully will arrive)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1427620[/ATTACH]</p><p>This coin is not perfect at all and I think I might have overpaid a little, but the interesting reverse and an emperor missing from my collection, an interesting reverse plus my admiration for chunky bronzes made me want it. </p><p>But... it was listed as Trebonianus Gallus.</p><p>While studying the coin, after purchasing it, I tried to match the obverse legend letters with what it "should" be. </p><p>IVNONI MARTIALI S C sestertii for Gallus have the obverse legend ending in GALLVS AVG. Final obverse legends are ANO AVG so there's a situation here. </p><p>Coin is in fact a Volusian (being a distyle temple, my attribution is <a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.vo.253" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.vo.253" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.vo.253</a> </p><p>unless I misunderstood the difference between distyle and tetrastyle)</p><p><br /></p><p>I was not bothered by this as having a Volusian sestertius is as good as having a Trebonianus Gallus sestertius. And the price would probably be the same. But it proved me that I should double check everything.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ambr0zie, post: 8171752, member: 80952"]Well, for me this kind of errors are helpful ... when I find them myself. Educational, to put it so. I try to doublecheck whenever possible the attributions, the design symbols, and when I find a misattribution in my own catalog I am almost happy as I learned something new. [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER], if I remember correctly, you bought a Titus denarius with Venus reverse (you know, that reverse) listed as Vespasian. For me, this kind of error from an auction house means they are clumsy. [USER=110350]@DonnaML[/USER] it is extremely clear that the animal is a camel, but if I look at it, the engraver really had an ostrich in mind. ... or Road Runner's ancestor?! [ATTACH=full]1427610[/ATTACH] What bothers me more is the incorrect attribution, pointing to a different ruler, or incorrect description, because the action house did not pay attention. I have 3 coins in this situation (one on the road and already delayed, grrrr) Bought this coin because I didn't have an Imperial Geta. [ATTACH=full]1427616[/ATTACH] Described as Geta 198-212 AD, as Caesar, AR Denarius, Rome Mint, ca. 200-202 AD. Obv: P SEPT GETA CAES PONT, bare, draped and cuirassed bust of Geta, seen from behind, right Rev: PRINC IVVENTVTIS, Geta in military dress standing left, holding baton and sceptre, to the right trophy RIC IV 18 C And yes, after buying it, my total amount of Geta imperial coins remained 0. The legend is not fully visible due to the small flan but the house assumed it's RIC IV 18. I just assumed everything is correct and a CT member pointed that the legend, based on what is visible on the left, can only be M AVR ANTON CAES PONTIF, so the coin is a Caracalla as Caesar. In the same auction I bought a coin, this time correctly attributed to Caracalla [ATTACH=full]1427618[/ATTACH] Caracalla (as Caesar, 196-198) AR denarius. Rome M AVR ANTON CAES PONTIF - bareheaded and draped bust right Rev: DESTINATO IMPERAT - Implements of the priesthood: lituus, apex, bucranium, and simpulum. RIC IV.1 6 note. RSC 53. This time they misread the reverse. The legend is again hidden but one could see it's not DESTINATO IMPERAT. My problem was the description (taken from the "correct" coin) "Implements of the priesthood: lituus, apex, bucranium, and simpulum." Really? bucranium? the jug is very visible and points clearly to Implements of the priesthood: Lituus, axe, jug, simpulum and sprinkler RIC IV Caracalla 4 Latest error I found is on my latest sestertius (that hopefully will arrive) [ATTACH=full]1427620[/ATTACH] This coin is not perfect at all and I think I might have overpaid a little, but the interesting reverse and an emperor missing from my collection, an interesting reverse plus my admiration for chunky bronzes made me want it. But... it was listed as Trebonianus Gallus. While studying the coin, after purchasing it, I tried to match the obverse legend letters with what it "should" be. IVNONI MARTIALI S C sestertii for Gallus have the obverse legend ending in GALLVS AVG. Final obverse legends are ANO AVG so there's a situation here. Coin is in fact a Volusian (being a distyle temple, my attribution is [URL]http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.vo.253[/URL] unless I misunderstood the difference between distyle and tetrastyle) I was not bothered by this as having a Volusian sestertius is as good as having a Trebonianus Gallus sestertius. And the price would probably be the same. But it proved me that I should double check everything.[/QUOTE]
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