Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
The Plated Fouree in Circulation
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3535296, member: 56859"]Why is it any less interesting than the coin it imitates? Both a the fourree and the coin it imitates are ancient, both tell a story of ancient history, and in addition, the fourree gives insight into crime and deception in the ancient world.</p><p><br /></p><p>You could argue that they should be worth <i>more</i> than the coins they copy! Okay, maybe that's pushing the point too far <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. Obviously the value is not measured in the spot price of silver, so the lower silver weight is irrelevant to value. Why do you (and virtually everyone) feel that fourrees should be valued so much lower than the coins they imitate? If it's just a matter of condition, I have a couple that are not low grade.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I have no answers but imagining the circumstances is fun, as I did in the <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/mule-or-goat-both-gragulus-renius-four%C3%A9e-denarius.270214/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/mule-or-goat-both-gragulus-renius-four%C3%A9e-denarius.270214/">writeup for this Gragulus-Renius fourree mule</a>:</p><p><br /></p><p><i><b><img src="https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ae43f8_8082b8ae176246d587794e21e2b76c71.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_625,al_c,q_90/ae43f8_8082b8ae176246d587794e21e2b76c71.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></b></i></p><p><b><b>Roman Republic fourree mule denarius</b></b></p><p><b>L. Antestius Gragulus, 136 BCE, and C. Renius, 138 BCE</b></p><p>ancient forgery, 3.18 gm</p><p>Obv: Roma helmeted head right, * below chin, GRAG behind</p><p>Rev: Juno Caprotina in a biga of goats, C・RENI below, ROMA in exergue</p><p>Ref: Obverse S.115, Cr.238/1, Syd.451, RSC Antestia 9; Reverse S.108, Cr.231/1, Syd.432, RSc Renia 1</p><p><br /></p><p>Another fourree, this one a serrate. So much for the "serrations deter counterfeiting" theory!. Someone filed a groove in one of the serrations, and rather recently given the lack of patina on the bronze in that area.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cottafourree-cr314-1c-rt-jpg.505128/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Roman Republic, Lucius Aurelius Cotta</b></p><p>105 BCE</p><p>Fourree AR serrate denarius, 20 mm, 3.8 gm</p><p>Obv: draped bust of Vulcan right, wearing laureate pileus; tongs and star behind; all within wreath and dotted border</p><p>Rev: eagle standing on thunderbolt, head left; L·COT below, V to right; all within laurel wreath and dotted border</p><p>Ref: c.f. Crawford 314/1c; Sydenham 577a; Aurelia 21b</p><p><i>formerly slabbed, NGC ChVF, 5/5 strike, 3/5 surface</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cottafourree-sideview_edited-1-jpg.505134/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3535296, member: 56859"]Why is it any less interesting than the coin it imitates? Both a the fourree and the coin it imitates are ancient, both tell a story of ancient history, and in addition, the fourree gives insight into crime and deception in the ancient world. You could argue that they should be worth [I]more[/I] than the coins they copy! Okay, maybe that's pushing the point too far :D. Obviously the value is not measured in the spot price of silver, so the lower silver weight is irrelevant to value. Why do you (and virtually everyone) feel that fourrees should be valued so much lower than the coins they imitate? If it's just a matter of condition, I have a couple that are not low grade. I have no answers but imagining the circumstances is fun, as I did in the [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/mule-or-goat-both-gragulus-renius-four%C3%A9e-denarius.270214/']writeup for this Gragulus-Renius fourree mule[/URL]: [I][B][IMG]https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ae43f8_8082b8ae176246d587794e21e2b76c71.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_625,al_c,q_90/ae43f8_8082b8ae176246d587794e21e2b76c71.jpg[/IMG][/B][/I] [B][B]Roman Republic fourree mule denarius[/B] L. Antestius Gragulus, 136 BCE, and C. Renius, 138 BCE[/B] ancient forgery, 3.18 gm Obv: Roma helmeted head right, * below chin, GRAG behind Rev: Juno Caprotina in a biga of goats, C・RENI below, ROMA in exergue Ref: Obverse S.115, Cr.238/1, Syd.451, RSC Antestia 9; Reverse S.108, Cr.231/1, Syd.432, RSc Renia 1 Another fourree, this one a serrate. So much for the "serrations deter counterfeiting" theory!. Someone filed a groove in one of the serrations, and rather recently given the lack of patina on the bronze in that area. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cottafourree-cr314-1c-rt-jpg.505128/[/IMG] [B]Roman Republic, Lucius Aurelius Cotta[/B] 105 BCE Fourree AR serrate denarius, 20 mm, 3.8 gm Obv: draped bust of Vulcan right, wearing laureate pileus; tongs and star behind; all within wreath and dotted border Rev: eagle standing on thunderbolt, head left; L·COT below, V to right; all within laurel wreath and dotted border Ref: c.f. Crawford 314/1c; Sydenham 577a; Aurelia 21b [I]formerly slabbed, NGC ChVF, 5/5 strike, 3/5 surface [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cottafourree-sideview_edited-1-jpg.505134/[/IMG] [/I][/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
The Plated Fouree in Circulation
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...