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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 8066836, member: 85693"]I dug through my Byzantines last night and I actually have two folles dated Year 16, which I believe is 542-543 A.D., which should have the "swollen & sick portrait/masked" type. Unfortunately they are both in pitiful condition, so it is hard to tell. I could only track down the photo for one of them:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398542[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Justinian I Æ Follis</b></p><p><b>Year 16 (542-543 A.D.)</b></p><p><b>Constantinople Mint</b></p><p>DN IVSTINI[ANVS PP] AVG, helmeted, cuirassed bust facing holding cross on globe and shield; cross to right / Large M, ANNO left, cross above, X μI right, Γ below, CON in exergue.</p><p>SB 163; DOC 45.</p><p>(17.33 grams / 37 x 35 mm)</p><p>eBay June 2021 </p><p><br /></p><p>On a worn ancient, you can see anything if you squint at it long enough - I think what I've marked here has more to do with surface damage than the actual portrait - or is this a swollen neck?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398543[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>More interesting than my poor specimen are some others I found. I did a Google image search and found this - on eBay, advertised as a "Black Plague Coin" (though not mentioning a portrait variation). Is this portrait a bit odd, a bit swollen? It is year 15, so it would be a year earlier than the theory. Hmmm. (I promise I have no connection to this eBay listing; I'm not trying to sell anything here):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398547[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/154513536370" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/154513536370" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/154513536370</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Then there is this year 16 Vcoin listing. Again, is that portrait extra lumpy?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398546[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ars_coin_wien/223/product/justinian_i_follis_constantinople_struck_in_542543_ad_vf_brown_patina_good_struck/958651/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ars_coin_wien/223/product/justinian_i_follis_constantinople_struck_in_542543_ad_vf_brown_patina_good_struck/958651/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ars_coin_wien/223/product/justinian_i_follis_constantinople_struck_in_542543_ad_vf_brown_patina_good_struck/958651/Default.aspx</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Another Vcoins listing (is that a mask?):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398550[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pars_coins/121/product/byzantine_empire_justinian_i_527565__follis/1136510/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pars_coins/121/product/byzantine_empire_justinian_i_527565__follis/1136510/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pars_coins/121/product/byzantine_empire_justinian_i_527565__follis/1136510/Default.aspx</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is one from FORVM -</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398554[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=82563q00.jpg&vpar=797&zpg=40260&fld=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=82563q00.jpg&vpar=797&zpg=40260&fld=" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=82563q00.jpg&vpar=797&zpg=40260&fld=</a></p><p><br /></p><p>acsearch turned up quite a few - some had normal portraits, but check out this one from a Freeman & Sear auction:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398565[/ATTACH]</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=714321" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=714321" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=714321</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps these types of portraits can be found for Justinian in other years? Here's one of mine from Nikomedia (which has a different style than Constantinople, I'd guess) - this later portrait seems more - healthy?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398552[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I know Byzantine portraits were all over the place in terms of style, but does this warrant further investigation? The examples I found above were based on about ten minutes sorting through a Google search and acsearch.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1398573[/ATTACH]</p><p>Ashley Lee photo on Wikimedia <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chipmunk_with_Full_Cheeks.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chipmunk_with_Full_Cheeks.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chipmunk_with_Full_Cheeks.jpg</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Happy Thanksgiving![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 8066836, member: 85693"]I dug through my Byzantines last night and I actually have two folles dated Year 16, which I believe is 542-543 A.D., which should have the "swollen & sick portrait/masked" type. Unfortunately they are both in pitiful condition, so it is hard to tell. I could only track down the photo for one of them: [ATTACH=full]1398542[/ATTACH] [B]Justinian I Æ Follis Year 16 (542-543 A.D.) Constantinople Mint[/B] DN IVSTINI[ANVS PP] AVG, helmeted, cuirassed bust facing holding cross on globe and shield; cross to right / Large M, ANNO left, cross above, X μI right, Γ below, CON in exergue. SB 163; DOC 45. (17.33 grams / 37 x 35 mm) eBay June 2021 On a worn ancient, you can see anything if you squint at it long enough - I think what I've marked here has more to do with surface damage than the actual portrait - or is this a swollen neck? [ATTACH=full]1398543[/ATTACH] More interesting than my poor specimen are some others I found. I did a Google image search and found this - on eBay, advertised as a "Black Plague Coin" (though not mentioning a portrait variation). Is this portrait a bit odd, a bit swollen? It is year 15, so it would be a year earlier than the theory. Hmmm. (I promise I have no connection to this eBay listing; I'm not trying to sell anything here): [ATTACH=full]1398547[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/154513536370[/URL] Then there is this year 16 Vcoin listing. Again, is that portrait extra lumpy? [ATTACH=full]1398546[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ars_coin_wien/223/product/justinian_i_follis_constantinople_struck_in_542543_ad_vf_brown_patina_good_struck/958651/Default.aspx[/URL] Another Vcoins listing (is that a mask?): [ATTACH=full]1398550[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/pars_coins/121/product/byzantine_empire_justinian_i_527565__follis/1136510/Default.aspx[/URL] Here is one from FORVM - [ATTACH=full]1398554[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/catalog/roman-and-greek-coins.asp?param=82563q00.jpg&vpar=797&zpg=40260&fld=[/URL] acsearch turned up quite a few - some had normal portraits, but check out this one from a Freeman & Sear auction: [ATTACH=full]1398565[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=714321[/URL] Perhaps these types of portraits can be found for Justinian in other years? Here's one of mine from Nikomedia (which has a different style than Constantinople, I'd guess) - this later portrait seems more - healthy? [ATTACH=full]1398552[/ATTACH] I know Byzantine portraits were all over the place in terms of style, but does this warrant further investigation? The examples I found above were based on about ten minutes sorting through a Google search and acsearch. [ATTACH=full]1398573[/ATTACH] Ashley Lee photo on Wikimedia [URL]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chipmunk_with_Full_Cheeks.jpg[/URL] Happy Thanksgiving![/QUOTE]
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