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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;NPCoin, post: 401343, member: 5629&quot;]If this were true, then we really would not be having this discussion.&nbsp; The &quot;collectors&quot; have <b>not</b> accepted these changes, yet the TPGs continue to try to force the changes that <b>they</b> perceive back down the chain to the collector.&nbsp; As more and more <b>collector/investors</b> and pure investors continue their flood into numismatics, the market changes will &quot;become&quot; accepted...but <b>not</b> by collectors.</p><p><br /></p><p>Everywhere you go online to varied forums, you see CaC and the TPGs praised and saluted because of the ten$ of thou$and$ there are to be made through varied games, such as the &quot;Crackout Game&quot;, and everything is about profit, profit, profit.&nbsp; And if you look close enough, you will realize that many, if not most, of these are collector/investoers, investors, and speculators.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yet, even amongst the few that rant and rave and raise their voices in praise of TPGs, the flip side is always apparent.&nbsp; There are many who will call into question the intent and motives of these third parties.&nbsp; They will point out blatant, and not so blatant, inconsistencies in their business practices.&nbsp; They will bring up the question the apparent conflict of interests, bringing us back full circle to questioning intent and motives once again.&nbsp; Many of these kind are not necessarily looking to roll over a profit, or even considering selling their collections in neither the near or far future.&nbsp; Many of these people consider themselves pure collectors.</p><p><br /></p><p>And these are the same that will normally <b>not</b> accept the changes touted by the TPGs in the name of &quot;following the market&quot;.&nbsp; I have responded to so many different threads like this on a number of forums over the past few weeks, but I have said before, the TPGs are very dangerous to numismatics because they do have the sway to be able to manipulate the market, where the market is not truly willing to accept the changes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Collectors buying and selling is far from market manipulation.&nbsp; This is market indication.&nbsp; Analysts will use market indication to forecast the market&#039;s intent.&nbsp; But, true and actual &quot;manipulation&quot; of the market occurs much higher on the chain.&nbsp; I had referenced a book by Dennis Steinmetz previously in some thread (maybe this one), where he indicates, as an insider, that the market is truly manipulated by the cartel of large coin dealers through their strategic and high profiled buying and selling on the market.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is these self-same large coin dealers who have found and operate the TPGs of today.&nbsp; Conflict of interests aside, the TPGs are now in the position to manipulate the market in much the same way the large national coin dealers of the 1970&#039;2-1980&#039;s were able to do.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now look what you did.&nbsp; I only intended to respond to you in one paragraph.&nbsp; :goof:&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#039;ll shut up for now.&nbsp; But, truly think about it all, conspiracy theories aside, and contemplate the hold that TPGs have, how many deem their slabs as sacramental, and how easy it is/would be for any TPG to simply change procedure and policy, but not necessarily standard, to effectively manipulate the market...all the while making you think that the market manipulated itself.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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