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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1090128, member: 112"]It only seems to be incongruous because you are making an assumption, but it's a false assumption. First, all I said was that I was sad about it. I'm sad about it because I had <u>hoped</u> (key word being hoped) that Thad had been able to develop a chemical that would remove verdigris from coins, but yet leave the coin unaltered if you will. Thus turning a problem coin (one with verdigris) into a problem free coin. That the use of his compound would be undetectable.</p><p><br /></p><p>The PCGS video leads us to believe that Thad's compound is detectable. Myself I have no idea if it is or is not since I have never used it nor have I ever examined in hand a coin that had been treated with it. I only have the reports posted by others who have used it to go by. As I said, it was a hope.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now Thad has since posted that his compound is undetectable by PCGS's machine. Perhaps it is. But even if the machine cannot detect it, I still don't know if my eyes, or other experienced eyes, could detect it or not by observing surface changes to the coin. Kind of like what an over-dipped coin looks like, if you understand what I mean. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now, as to the use of Blue Ribbon or a similar product, just like I have said for years, these products present the coin in an altered state. The oil like substances in small quantities make the coin appear to have better luster than it really does and many collectors, dealers, and yes even the vaunted TPGs have been fooled by it many times over the years. Products like this are nothing but "makeup for coins" in my opinion. And no one should ever accept coins that have been treated with these products, again, in my opinion. They are not original, they are altered coins. They have had a substance added to the surface of the coin to make it look like something it is not. And it is all done with the excuse of these products being used to "protect the coin". Well, how is that any different than varnishing your coins - that was done to protect the coin too !</p><p><br /></p><p>Now the difference to me between these products and say a coin dip, or hopefully Thad's product, is that a coin dip removes unsightly, and potentially damaging, toning from the coin. And it leaves nothing behind on the surface of the coin. It is no different than using acetone to remove organic materials from a coin. Coin dips and acetone, if used properly, conserve coins and prevent them from acquiring damage. And they leave no trace behind.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now of course coin dip can be over-used, and if it is over-used then the luster of the coin is ruined, stripped away forever. And in those cases a coin dip is just as bad as Blue Ribbon or similar products. And if Thad's product alters the coin's surface or strips away luster, then I would include it here as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>But that point is as of yet undecided for me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1090128, member: 112"]It only seems to be incongruous because you are making an assumption, but it's a false assumption. First, all I said was that I was sad about it. I'm sad about it because I had [U]hoped[/U] (key word being hoped) that Thad had been able to develop a chemical that would remove verdigris from coins, but yet leave the coin unaltered if you will. Thus turning a problem coin (one with verdigris) into a problem free coin. That the use of his compound would be undetectable. The PCGS video leads us to believe that Thad's compound is detectable. Myself I have no idea if it is or is not since I have never used it nor have I ever examined in hand a coin that had been treated with it. I only have the reports posted by others who have used it to go by. As I said, it was a hope. Now Thad has since posted that his compound is undetectable by PCGS's machine. Perhaps it is. But even if the machine cannot detect it, I still don't know if my eyes, or other experienced eyes, could detect it or not by observing surface changes to the coin. Kind of like what an over-dipped coin looks like, if you understand what I mean. Now, as to the use of Blue Ribbon or a similar product, just like I have said for years, these products present the coin in an altered state. The oil like substances in small quantities make the coin appear to have better luster than it really does and many collectors, dealers, and yes even the vaunted TPGs have been fooled by it many times over the years. Products like this are nothing but "makeup for coins" in my opinion. And no one should ever accept coins that have been treated with these products, again, in my opinion. They are not original, they are altered coins. They have had a substance added to the surface of the coin to make it look like something it is not. And it is all done with the excuse of these products being used to "protect the coin". Well, how is that any different than varnishing your coins - that was done to protect the coin too ! Now the difference to me between these products and say a coin dip, or hopefully Thad's product, is that a coin dip removes unsightly, and potentially damaging, toning from the coin. And it leaves nothing behind on the surface of the coin. It is no different than using acetone to remove organic materials from a coin. Coin dips and acetone, if used properly, conserve coins and prevent them from acquiring damage. And they leave no trace behind. Now of course coin dip can be over-used, and if it is over-used then the luster of the coin is ruined, stripped away forever. And in those cases a coin dip is just as bad as Blue Ribbon or similar products. And if Thad's product alters the coin's surface or strips away luster, then I would include it here as well. But that point is as of yet undecided for me.[/QUOTE]
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