The Official CoinTalk Grading Experiment 6

64

 

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I went 62 it’s baggy and that cheek is beat up. I have a very similar example that went pcgs 62,

 

Literally my thoughts, exactly.

 

Looks like a really nice 63 to me, choice for the grade.

 

Solid 64. Well struck, good eye appeal, good luster, fairly clean fields, no heavy hits in prime focal spots. Surface disruptions on the cheek are small and more minor than we saw on the MS63 coin earlier, but too widespread for a 65. Reverse is also nice, with the toning on the bottom neither helping nor hurting eye appeal.

 

And the results! Slightly lower participation with this one, with only 31 guesses, but nearly half of you picked the right answer! Consensus grade was 63.5, only a half point lower than the true grade of 64.

I think this coin is absolutely correctly graded. If you go back and compare this coin with the previous 63, you'll notice considerably less contact marks. The important cheek area is cleaner, but so are the fields. The numerous contact marks in the obverse fields are a clear distinction between this and a 65 coin (on a 65, I'd expect the fields to be mostly clear of marks).

So, well done overall.

 

I voted MS-65, which means I was off by one again (or, really, off by 1/2, as the CAC sticker suggests). This whole endeavor has given me a little extra confidence, considering how grading from a photo is always a dicey proposition. In hand, I'm sure I'd do at least as well, or better.

 

I missed seeing this one in time.
It looked a point better than the previous Morgan (based on being less baggy). I graded that one 62, so my grade for this one would have been 63. I would have likely voted 64 though based on the prior one being a 63.

 

I voted 64 before I saw the answer. When I was a dealer I looked for and sold a lot of MS-64 dollars that looked similar to this one. You have to compensate a little for the size of the photo which puts an emphasis on every mark.

 

The previous Morgan was closer to a 62, so...

 

@physics-fan3.14 Is there any way you could compile a list of people to ping on these, or start a PM conversation when you open a new one? I missed one and I really wish I hadn't.

BTW, I really appreciate these threads and the associated discussion that's been generated. Very interesting. Makes me wonder if something couldn't be done using computer vision.

 

Number 4 is like the Energizer Bunny, still going!

 

I think you were still off by 1. The CAC sticker suggests PCGS wasn't off by 1 (in their eyes, anyway).

 

That depends on how you’d define “solid for the grade.” I would be hesitant to say anything less than “median for the grade” equates to “solid for the grade.”

 

No. He’s correct. Solid for the grade means that the grade of 64 is accurate, not that it exceeds that grade, or is premium for the grade in any way.


As far as the grading results, I voted after the grade was posted and got it wrong!

 

I voted 65 for the market grade. My gut told me 64 though.

 

I’ll believe that’s all the green bean means when 66’s with green beans stop turning into 67+’s and such, again awarded green beans. Like most things, “it depends on the coin” applies of course.

 

Wait, wait, wait...

Are you talking about rainbow toned coins? Or are saying there are untoned coins with CAC greens that are getting 1.5 point upgrades and still getting beaned?

 

It’s likely the 65+ we keep going back to. Yes I recall that you considered it undergraded, but CAC only gave it a green sticker at 65+. At 67+ they gave it a green sticker again. At 68 it has no sticker as far as I know.

That is one where I have a picture. I would have to look to check if there are other examples.

As far as the definitions go, a coin should not green sticker at multiple grades. A gold CAC is a coin that would green bean at the next grade (per a JA interview some years back). So that 65+ should have received a gold sticker (especially since CAC doesn’t consider the plus when it comes to stickering).

 

That coin is an enigma and isn’t representative of TPG grading or CACs consistency. People need to chill out.