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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3677744, member: 24314&quot;]Jaelus, asked:&nbsp; &quot;Since when does the presence of subjectivity preclude there being a standard? [<b><i><span style="color: #660066">It does not</span></i></b>. <i><span style="color: #660066">However, if you</span></i> <span style="color: #b30000">EVEN THINK THERE IS A &quot;Standard&quot;</span> -<i><span style="color: #660066"> you don&#039;t get it</span></i>. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]&nbsp; Think of graders as judges (in the legal or sports sense) following a standard [<i><span style="color: #660066">Which does not exist except for the <span style="color: #660033"><b>myth that one does exist</b></span> while most will tell you it is different at each TPGS</span></i>] that must be interpreted and applied with subjectivity.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>Razz, posted:&nbsp; &quot;You must at least have a published standard that is OBJECTIVELY applied, otherwise it is all just a subjective opinion. It may well be that modern coin grading is just that, no published standards objectively applied, but totally subjective on what the market will bear (i.e., market grading NOT technical grading).&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><i>Very well said!&nbsp; However...</i></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #000000">Jaelus, replied: &quot;That&#039;s not how coin grading works. [<span style="color: #b30000"><i><b>EXACTLY!&nbsp; you just made the point many of us are trying to convey</b></i>! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie60" alt=":kiss:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie60" alt=":kiss:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>]&nbsp; It&#039;s why computers can&#039;t grade coins accurately. If we had a standard that could be objectively applied, we would have that already.&quot;</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #000000"><i><span style="color: #660066">IMO, at one time there was a very strict grading standard that was applied with exceptional precision.&nbsp; The keys were it was very strict and all the variables were kept separate from the coins actual condition of preservation from when it left the coin press.&nbsp; Large cent collectors use a similar very strict grading that has changed very little in decades but then they foul it up by deducting (net) for defects</span></i>.&nbsp; </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #000000"><br /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #000000">&quot;Take a statement as simple as &quot;A coin that has been <b><span style="color: #ff0000">harshly cleaned</span></b> [<i><span style="color: #660066">Unfortunately, it can be demonstrated by various posts appearing in CT discussions that most folks have no clue what a harshly cleaned coin looks like!]</span></i><b><span style="color: #ff0000">cannot be assigned a grade</span></b>.&quot; [<i><span style="color: #660066">That statement is uninformed so anything that follows is probably going to be</span></i> …<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie66" alt=":muted:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />]&nbsp; This involves accurately identifying the appearances of numerous types of cleaning, distinguishing the appearance of cleaning from the appearance of other similar effects that are either different problems or not problems at all (die polish, worn dies, etc.), and having the wisdom [<i><span style="color: #660066">LOL $$$</span></i>] to know when there may be an old cleaning that is nonetheless market acceptable. This is judging and it&#039;s inherently going to be subjective.&quot;</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><span style="color: #660066"><i>Well said after all.&nbsp; Coin grading is very subjective and there are no standards.</i></span></span></p><p><br /></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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