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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3669949, member: 24314&quot;]Lehigh96, posted: &quot;There are plenty of lustrous, well struck coins with clean surfaces and butt ugly toning.&nbsp; The fact that the example shown above has terminal state toning at the peripheries is <b>immaterial </b>[ <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><i> <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">Perhaps</span></i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"> &quot;<i>immaterial</i> &quot;<i>to the weasel who sells it to the Koolaid <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></i>drinkers</span>] e to the discussion.&nbsp; If you want to consider the ugly duckling shown above a problem coin for environmental damage [<b><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">I DO</span></i></b>], then you must also consider this coin a problem coin as well. [<i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><b>I DO.</b>&nbsp; See below.</span></i>]</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://i.imgur.com/H11iWbd.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>But even here, there is a huge difference in eye appeal between the two coins. [<i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">Duh. Since corrosion is often seen as a progression...sometimes it is not ugly.</span></i>] submit to you that if you want to find the types of coins that I am talking about, search some auction archives and look for the phrase &quot;wholly original,&quot; that is the coin cataloger code for &quot;FUGLY&quot;!&nbsp; <b>My original point still stands, that excellent strike, luster, and surface preservation don&#039;t guarantee excellent eye appeal. </b><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><b>I&#039;ll agree with that 100%. </b>Does that indicate we are making progress? </span></i></p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">Exactly, I do consider this a problem coin. Here is why.&nbsp; It is corroded.&nbsp; </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">You see, at on time I worked for the first and only coin grading service in the U.S. until the second grading service came on line and then the third N.C.I.&nbsp; Any others around at the time were trash.&nbsp; I believe after a while there were another half dozen way before 1986.&nbsp; Anyway, at a meeting to get us all on the same page, I was SHOCKED at all the attendees there that I had never heard of.&nbsp; </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><br /></span></i></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><i>Sorry, I got off tract.&nbsp; This is the point I wish to make from actual long-time experience staying within a strict, precise, grading system (which we no longer have at all, anywhere, by any TPGS!).&nbsp;&nbsp; Once you set up a system and rank coins it better mean something.&nbsp; The obviously corroded nickel you posted has been graded MS-67 by one of the top TPGS.&nbsp; Once a corroded coin is graded that high, how much </i><b><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">BLACK, END-STAGE corrosion</span></b> <i>are they going to tolerate on an MS-68 or 69?&nbsp; Once they allow this, what are they going to grade a similar nickel with the same beauty and eye-appeal that is NOT CORRODED?&nbsp; </i></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><i>To this day I can remember my reaction seeing the first bright, full-frosty, no friction, Gem++ Barber half dollar after seeing the usual junk offered as MS at coin shows. If we had been grading the usual impaired sliders gem MS because that&#039;s the way they come, what do we grade a rare, true gem when it comes in?&nbsp; They are out there.&nbsp; </i><b><u><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">This nickel is NOT ONE!</span></u></b> </span></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 102)">We would all be in a better place if the actual true condition of coins were stated. In the case of this nickel: Beautifully toned Gem + with partially corroded rim [and probably edge].&nbsp; I think most of use could visualize a coin with this description.&nbsp; Unfortunately, using a single number (67 in this case) does not cut it!</span></i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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