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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3659565, member: 24314&quot;]Lehigh96, asked: &quot;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">I&#039;m curious, why would an uncirculated coin be missing atoms?&nbsp; As long as there is no wear, the <b><span style="color: #b30000">chemical change</span></b> in the formation of the oxide layer doesn&#039;t remove any atoms from the coin.&quot;</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b300b3"><i>Please remember who you are discussing this with.&nbsp; I&#039;m a self confessed ignorant old man <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> when it comes to corrosion science or things I cannot see on coins that may be/are present on a coin.&nbsp; So I must apologize <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie87" alt=":sorry:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> for being incorrect and using the wrong word.&nbsp; Forget the atom reference in this case and change it to the &quot;corrosion products&quot; that have destroyed the coin&#039;s originality - although at the beginning we cannot see them.&nbsp; The coin looks original &quot;white&quot; to most of us who are not stuck in the mindset of a scientist who insists on being absolutely correct.&nbsp; As you posted, we cannot argue with scientific fact!</i> </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">&quot;Well, at least you aren&#039;t pissed at me, that is a bonus.&quot;</span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i><span style="color: #b300b3">Never going to happen.&nbsp; I&#039;m just learning here but so far my opinion has not changed (yet?).</span></i></span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">&quot;OK, when I brought up this point about untoned coins having an invisible oxide layer, it was in response to Typecoin saying that rainbow toned coins are &quot;damaged&quot;.&nbsp; Therefore, if you are going to consider oxide layers &quot;damage&quot; then every coin is damaged, because every coin has an oxide layer, even those you can&#039;t discern with the naked eye.&nbsp; And anyone who propagates the ridiculous notion that toning is damage will get the same lecture, even though Typecoin doesn&#039;t even believe the point he was making, he was simply trying to win an argument.&quot;</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><i><span style="color: #b300b3">I think a scientist as yourself can make the case that an oxide changes the surface from its original state and therefore THEY may consider it a FORM of DAMAGE.&nbsp; I am not on their side.&nbsp; Some oxides/patinas/colors are good and others are not.&nbsp; Example: I&#039;ll take an evenly-colored, green, bronze copper ancient coin or rainbow toned Morgan every time over the alternative.</span></i> </p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #b300b3">THIS IS <b><span style="color: #b30000">NOT</span></b> WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT.</span></i> <i><span style="color: #b300b3"> Should the patina on the ancient or the color on the Morgan increase its GRADE or its VALUE?&nbsp; The answer is OBVIOUS!&nbsp; IT&#039;S BOTH, because collectors have been brainwashed (due to Sheldon&#039;s original idea to link the two) that a grade indicates a coin&#039;s value.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now, the tail (value) is controlling the dog (actual condition).&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #b300b3">Now AU&#039;s are commonly and &quot;incorrectly&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> called MS by the TPGS.</span></i></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">&quot;So let&#039;s make a deal, I won&#039;t force you to call a &quot;blast white&quot; coin toned or oxidized as long as you don&#039;t call a rainbow toned coin &quot;damaged.&quot;&nbsp; And yes, I know you just told Morgandude11 that you don&#039;t consider rainbow toning damage, so we should be all good here.&quot;</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><b><i><span style="color: #b300b3">DEAL!</span></i></b></span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Yes, you grade coins.&nbsp; The higher the grade, the higher the price.&nbsp; To say that your service as a grader [<i><span style="color: #b300b3">That is <b><span style="color: #b30000">NOT</span></b> what I wrote!&nbsp; ICG grades are virtually identical to the other three major TPGS.&nbsp; The only difference I see is we may be more critical about letting problem coins get straight or net grades.&nbsp; I posted that <span style="color: #b30000">I don&#039;t assign a grade based on what I think the coin should be worth</span></span></i>!] doesn&#039;t provide a value for the coin is naive at best.&nbsp; That is the whole point of having a coin graded.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b300b3">Now...back to the bump in grade for eye appeal...</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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