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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3658683, member: 24314&quot;]Lehigh96, posted: &quot;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">It isn&#039;t a silly opinion, it is a scientific fact.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">1)&nbsp; The planchet already has an oxide layer prior to the minting process.&nbsp; In the event that the oxide layer is completely destroyed during the striking process, then yes, the first oxide bonds will happen within seconds of it leaving the die, unless the mint takes steps to ensure that there is no hydrogen sulfide gas on the mint floor, which I highly doubt.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">2)&nbsp; See the answer to number one.&quot;</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"><b>I AGREE!&nbsp; F</b>ortunately, I don&#039;t care about things I CAN&#039;T SEE like oxygen molecules all around us or MS coin that HAVE NO COLOR!&nbsp; If I did and wanted to continue this silly <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> conversation then there is NO SUCH THING AS A COIN WITH an 100% original surface.&nbsp; THEY ARE ALL AU.&nbsp; <b>We just cannot see the missing atoms! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></b></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">&quot;When I posted my degree, it was a warning for people to stay in their lane.&nbsp; Instead of heeding my warning, you have decided to go full retard.&nbsp; Just because you can&#039;t see the oxide layer, doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t there.&nbsp; You can&#039;t see any microscopic particles with the naked eye, but I&#039;m sure you will agree that protons, neutrons, and electrons are not imaginary things like ghosts, right?&quot;&nbsp; </span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Check out my response above and please don&#039;t ask anymore silly questions like this:&nbsp; You can&#039;t see any microscopic particles with the naked eye, but I&#039;m sure you will agree that protons, neutrons, and electrons are not imaginary things like ghosts, right?</span> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">PS&nbsp; I&#039;m very glad to know your qualifications.&nbsp; If I were running this place we would know as much about every poster.&nbsp; I hope you are enjoying this discussion as much as I am!&nbsp; </span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">&quot;If you are unconvinced that oxide layers invisible to the naked eye exist on all coins, we could easily use an SEM (scanning electron microscope) coupled with EDS (energy dispersive x-ray spectroscopy).&nbsp; It would tell you both the thickness of the oxide layer and identify the elements in the oxide layer.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">So for anyone reading this thread, Insider&#039;s advice to pretend things aren&#039;t there because you can&#039;t see them is some of the worst and scientifically ignorant advice I have ever had the displeasure to read on this forum.&quot;</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Actually, I thought I made it very clear THAT YOU SHOULD NOT IMAGINE SOMETHING IS ON THE COIN IF YOU CANNOT SEE IT.&nbsp; That includes just about everything you have mentioned (atoms, etc.) that IS ON THE COIN AND MAY be visible with enough magnification.</span> </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Besides, I&#039;m just a ignorant <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> fool that will not call a &quot;blast white&quot; coin toned or oxidized in spite of what a corrosion expert thinks.</span></span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;My views on toning are not extreme at all, in fact they are basically identical to the industry standards which are employed by the TPGs and accepted by the large majority of the numismatic community.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">We already agreed on this point: <b>Nothing is going to change in the industry regarding toning.</b>&nbsp; Ah, unless it can be proven that most of it may be artificially induced and &quot;white&quot; makes a comeback.</span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;They allow <b>terminal toning</b> [<b><i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">CORROSION/Environmental damage often into the edge also.</span></i></b>] on the rims, but if it advances onto the surface of the coin, usually they will grade the coin as problem coin for environmental damage.&nbsp; <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">[&quot;<b>They</b>&quot; also call polished or heavily buffed coins &quot;CLEANED.&quot;&nbsp; That does not make it right.]</span> If a coin with terminal toning on the surface gets into a problem free holder, I would highly recommend to any collector that they not purchase that coin.&nbsp; It is no different than a cleaned coin in a problem free holder, it happens.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;YES&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">(?)</span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;WHAT IN THE ACTUAL HECK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO MEAN?&nbsp; A coin&#039;s value is completely dependent upon condition, what&#039;s more, that is what you do for a living.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">I think you are <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> mistaken <b>again</b>.&nbsp; I grade coins by their condition of preservation.&nbsp; I let other people including the end user of the slab (the submitter) price them.</span></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Incoherent babbling!&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><b><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">(?)</span></b></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 179, 0)">For those who need help understanding the way I post:</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">Red</span> and <span style="color: rgb(0, 179, 0)">Green</span> text Insider.</p><p>Black text surrounded by <b><i><u>quotation marks</u></i></b> Leghigh96.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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