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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 3658294, member: 24314&quot;]Lehigh96, posted: &quot;<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">No, he [<span style="color: #660033">Doug</span>]espouses that there is no such thing as an untoned coin, and he is correct. [<span style="color: #660033">Then nuts to both of you for that silly <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> opinion. A few questions come to mind immediately.&nbsp; 1) How many seconds does it take for a coin to become toned after it leaves the die?&nbsp; 2) How toned is a coin I just dip?]</span> What we perceive as untoned coins simply have a thin film interface so thin that the refracted light does not cause us to see any color on the surface of the coin.&nbsp; [<span style="color: #660033">I sure wish I had your level of vision!&nbsp; Sort of like if you cannot see something it is still there.&nbsp; Oops, I see a ghost in the room.&nbsp; LOL.&nbsp; There is an old saying...Keep it simple, ________.]</span>But the absence of color doesn&#039;t mean the coin isn&#039;t toned.&nbsp; Therefore, if you consider toned coins &quot;damaged&quot; then you must also consider untoned coins &quot;damaged&quot; because all coins have some measure of toning on the surface. [</span><span style="color: #660066">Oh, my...and you are a very knowledgeable numismatist and corrosion expert.&nbsp; Please.&nbsp; Some folks have screwed up coin grading so bad by spouting nonsense.&nbsp; For those who are not knowledgeable, I&#039;ll suggest this:</span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #660066">1, If you cannot see something on a coin, pretend it is not there.&nbsp; Don&#039;t believe there is color, bag marks, etc. on a coin <b>IF YOU CANNOT SEE THEM!]</b></span></span></p><p><br /></p><p>Weimar White is a crackpot [<span style="color: #660066">He does have some extreme beliefs. For example, he believes all toned coins are damaged!&nbsp; I replied to him once that I want to buy all the rainbow &quot;damaged&quot; coins he could get for me.&nbsp; LOL.&nbsp; That said, IMO, many of his writings are as CRACKPOT as I read from you at the other extreme.</span>] who fear mongered collectors into believing that toning is &quot;damage&quot; and if left untreated, would ruin their precious coins and destroy their value.&nbsp; Conveniently, he had just the product to sell them that could save their precious coins.&nbsp; How many coins is that man responsible for destroying with his acid dip?&nbsp; The fact is that if your coins are stored properly, the existing toning layer on the coin&#039;s surface will not advance discernibly in our lifetimes.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m not sure who here doesn&#039;t agree with the fact that there are different stages of toning, that <b>end stage terminal black toning is tantamount to environmental damage </b>and makes the coin a problem coin [<span style="color: #660066">Apparently, major dealers, CAC, and the professional graders at the major TPGS don&#039;t agree!&nbsp; Take a look at all the high grade, very expensive slabbed coins with corroded black rims!], </span>or that rainbow toning can be beautiful and increase the<b><i><u><span style="color: #b30000"> value</span></u></i></b> of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course exceptional eye appeal increases <b><i><u><span style="color: #b30000">VALUE</span></u></i></b>.&nbsp; That&#039;s why we are having this discussion.&nbsp; <b><i><u><span style="color: #ff0000">A COIN&#039;S VALUE SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS CONDITION OF PRESERVATION</span></u></i></b>.&nbsp; You guys have been scammed an love it.&nbsp; Defending this dealer-made concoction that has caused gradflation: XF/AU coins are now graded MS (value) because it is the status quo does not make it correct.</p><p><br /></p><p>Getting angry with the folks who understand this and see the &quot;naked truth&quot; is not helpful.&nbsp; Fact is not going to change anything or any opinion.&nbsp; I see both sides.&nbsp; I have personal grading standards yet I put on my apron each day <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie104" alt=":yawn:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and enjoy <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />feeding <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie5" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> folks the poison they love to eat!&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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