Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by physics-fan3.14, Aug 3, 2019.
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Maybe I should have stuck with my first impression (as they say, think long think wrong ).
So after concluding that my gut instinct is wrong, then I have to assign an mint state grade. The coin is pretty clean and has near gem surfaces, but the coin has also been dipped at some point and Heritage’s photos do nothing to show us the luster profile of the coin. If the luster is impaired by the dip, the coin could net grade MS62. If the luster is full, it would grade MS64. And if my first instinct was right, it is an AU64.
Since these are just examples chosen and price paid isn’t an issue, im saying that the shadows are indicators of good luster and the coin grades MS64.
I am on the fence between AU58 and MS62. It appears to be weakly struck on the reverse. Luster and eye-appeal aren’t great either and there are a couple of hits. I will vote MS62 because I think that’s what PCGS probably would call it. It sure doesn’t look like a 64 or 65 to me.
Hahaha, this made me chuckle. Thanks for the analysis.
Reverse left/right claw creases are gone from wear
Leg feather wear looks extreme with a lot of chatter for a MS coin.
Obverse is pretty clean - some hits and some minor wear ...
This one may be a good example of a slider.
Heritage should hire a real photographer.
I talked myself out of a slider grade into an MS64 and you did the opposite. I think one of us is gonna have egg on our face because IMO, AU58 and MS64 are the two most likely grades for this coin.
At thousands of coins per week, a single real photographer isn't going to do the trick. They have to produce assembly line, yet consistent photos. A real photographer would be able to adjust and fine-tune the assembly line, but it still has to run quickly. They do spend more time with more expensive coins, but the slab shots end up giving a better overall picture. I've noticed that they also now import NGC photos into their auctions, which is a break from their policy of only having in-house photos.
I’ve tried to explain this several times. I was unaware that they started using NGC photos. Personally I wish they would contract with someone really good for their beauty shots. Often times, they look totally different from the slab photo, and that shouldn’t happen.
I didn't really mean it in the sense of one photog. Well, one quality person to manage the photography department might help. Heritage should up their game on the photography end, is all I meant. Scanners just don't cut it for on-line sales of coins. When most of coin sales are done on-line, quality pictures sell that coin. A high end coin auctioneer like Heritage should treat every coin as high end. Leave the crappy picture taking to eBay sellers or people like myself with no photography skills.
Right now the majority grade the Barber half MS64. That puts it at $1100 in the PCGS price guide. Poll: which MS64 grader wants to put in the first bid? Don't forget there is a buyer's fee. For handling the coin, like photography, cataloging, shipping/receiving... I would think, as a business, they would want the best of the best to sell product. With the poll, there are a lot of people passing on this coin on any grade above MS63. Of course, there is those few that would get a bargain at MS64. If I was Heritage I would try harder.
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