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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;TylerH, post: 3347720, member: 97181&quot;]Hi all</p><p>As a new coin collector I have been shocked by the values of cleaned coins - and it makes me wonder -</p><p><br /></p><p>A coin is cleaned - therefore disturbing surfaces - and I wonder why coins in such state arent downgraded and straight graded based on surface condition like other coins - and the value of such cleaned coins equated as such.&nbsp; IE:&nbsp; Why is a cleaned coin with AU details worth far less than an original surface coin of VF grade?</p><p><br /></p><p>I have seen this in other areas of my collecting - such as vintage toys and comics and it doesnt make sense to me -</p><p><br /></p><p>Lets compare to comic books.&nbsp; In the 70s and 80s a comic book was common to have</p><p>color touch ups - where a comic would have color breaking creases touched up with a colored pen - not maliciously but to make it more visually pleasing - and since then the grading company has been created - and now you have that book graded and it comes back as &quot;amateur restoration&quot; and the value is cut by over 50% or more - So people do &quot;restoration removal&quot; where a conservator basically scrapes away the damage, causing more damage - but so the comic straight grades at a lower than visual &quot;restored&quot; grade but with more damage that with the prior &quot;amateur restoration&quot; grade - but sells for much more.</p><p><br /></p><p>The same for packaged vintage toys - where a price sticker removal causes damage to the packaging and 30 years ago - coloring in the damage was acceptable - but now it is &quot;tampering&quot; -&nbsp; so people are willing to further damage a toy by removing the color touch ups than just selling it as is, and &quot; restored&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>I see this with coin chat - where people have an AU details coin, but say they can wear it down to a straight VF grade by leaving it in their pocket, etc - hereby damaging the coin FURTHER - but financially gaining more because a VF sells for much more than a cleaned AU.</p><p><br /></p><p>I feel like cleaned coins - depending on the extend of cleaning and disruption of surfaces should be graded based on the quality of surface, period.&nbsp; It makes no sense to me personally why an AU detailed level of coin, that was polished once or twice is worth less than a VF of the same coin, which may have not been polished, but has been substantially more worn.&nbsp; A surface is a surface wether the damage was done yesterday or 100 years ago, I think - And I know I am in the minority but I cant wrap my head around this price disparage in a logical way.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry for this silly rant but I just dont get it . <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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