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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lolli, post: 4746399, member: 96900&quot;]&quot;But even assuming they melted the ancient coin to make this fake EID MAR why they did not make a good quality one so they could have earned more money. Why such a poor quality coin?? All this trouble for nothing?&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>They did this altering with the intention to make the fake more deceptive by distracting from problems of the coin like the style and the more expensive the coin the more carefully it will be examined.</p><p>The die match fake on ebay is not so convincing because not altered and still in mint state condition it would be so much much much more expensive if authentic and so checked more carefully and if checking the coin more carefully they would hopefully realize that it is an obvious fake if they are not compeltely incompetent.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Antious Pius is a very low quality coin and imho worth maybe 10 Dollar, is the seller on ebay highratinglowprice, because the price is rediculous high ?</p><p><br /></p><p>You have to consider that the prices for ancient coins have increased very very much in the past 20 years, I have nicer and better Denari as the Antonius Pius for which I paid less than 20 years ago about 10 DM it would be today today about 5 Dollar but money was worth more back then and nice LRB for 0,50 Pfennige which would be today 0,25 Cent and yes money was worth more back then but even if we consider inflation since then it was very very cheap.</p><p><br /></p><p>The fake Brutus was made several years ago when the prices for ancient coins were lower but the prices for Bruts coins were always very high. Bulgarian forgers do not buy coins from highratinglowprice on ebay for reidiculous high prices, why should they if they can buy if they want authentic coins very cheap in Bulgaria at local markets? You can and many do buying such ancient coins at local markets in Bulgaria, Turkey, Sicily and then transporting and reselling them with profit in Germany etc. Even after sorting out fakes and after expenses like travel costs they earn pretty good money. If you buy directly from looters the price should be for run down coins about material value.</p><p><br /></p><p>But I doubt that the alloy of the Brutus fake is identical with that on ancient Denari, there is no need to melt an ancient coin even if they can buy rund down specimens for a little bit more than melt value, because these fakes are produced for tourists and ebay and not made to fool experts who will recoginze them as fakes even without the use of XFR. And if you know the correct alloy for authentic ancient coins (you can find articles in internet) you can mix a correct alloy for ancient coins yourself without melting ancient coins. But why, there is no need to do this for low quality fakes, it is time consuming and time is money.</p><p><br /></p><p>We only know that the Gold value of the modern Brutus fake is possibly in the rage as it is on ancient coins, but this only means that the silver used for it was not so fine refined as it is can be found on some modern Silver coins and objects but you should be able to find enough NOT ANCIENT SILVER OBJECTS with a similar GOLD % as the Brutus coin because the silver was not always so fine refined in all countries within the last centuries and for some objects like today other objects were melted in &quot;parting work&quot; where precious metals are parted and used for new Silver objects. nd if you know the correct alloy for authentic ancient coins you can mix this alloy yourself even without melting ancient coins. And XRF results are not always 100% accurate and there can be a tolerance of some %[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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