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<p>[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4741936, member: 96900"]There is no prove that the coin existed before 2001, except the word of the consignor (previous seller). </p><p>David Sear will most likely change his mind if he will be notified concerning the new information that a not altered pressed die match is offered by a notorious fake seller together with other fakes some published fakes with same style and fabric from a Bulgarian workshop.</p><p><br /></p><p>So against authenticity:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. die match for sale by a notorious fake seller</p><p>2. the die match looks pressed</p><p>3. the altering on your fake does not look convincing and was applied to distract form awful style</p><p>4. Pedigree goes in best case back to 2001, but is possibly much junger</p><p>5. The style and fabric (pressed) of your coin is fitting to a modern Bulgarian artist and fake workshop but not to any known authentic coin from this issue or time</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>His Julius Caesar is a modern replica</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-JULIO-CESAR-49-48-16MM-3-6GR-SILVER/133492451468?hash=item1f14c5288c:g:TKMAAOSwj9ZfNTa0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-JULIO-CESAR-49-48-16MM-3-6GR-SILVER/133492451468?hash=item1f14c5288c:g:TKMAAOSwj9ZfNTa0" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-JULIO-CESAR-49-48-16MM-3-6GR-SILVER/133492451468?hash=item1f14c5288c:g:TKMAAOSwj9ZfNTa0</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/852116559/ar-roman-imperatorial-denarius-museum?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=elephant+caesar&ref=sc_gallery-1-2&plkey=3cb4618dc6b30ec810eb88b8c803c07d768b690a%3A852116559&frs=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/852116559/ar-roman-imperatorial-denarius-museum?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=elephant+caesar&ref=sc_gallery-1-2&plkey=3cb4618dc6b30ec810eb88b8c803c07d768b690a%3A852116559&frs=1" rel="nofollow">https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/852116559/ar-roman-imperatorial-denarius-museum?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=elephant+caesar&ref=sc_gallery-1-2&plkey=3cb4618dc6b30ec810eb88b8c803c07d768b690a:852116559&frs=1</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Gordian</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-GORDIAN-I-AFRICANVS-SILVER/133492461221?hash=item1f14c54ea5:g:Q1sAAOSwGYNfNTyZ" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-GORDIAN-I-AFRICANVS-SILVER/133492461221?hash=item1f14c54ea5:g:Q1sAAOSwGYNfNTyZ" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-GORDIAN-I-AFRICANVS-SILVER/133492461221?hash=item1f14c54ea5:g:Q1sAAOSwGYNfNTyZ</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=g1cMWulSOl4=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=g1cMWulSOl4=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=g1cMWulSOl4=</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Vespasian Cast</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-VESPASIANVS-SILBER/133492459971?hash=item1f14c549c3:g:75MAAOSw2WBfNTuq" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-VESPASIANVS-SILBER/133492459971?hash=item1f14c549c3:g:75MAAOSw2WBfNTuq" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-VESPASIANVS-SILBER/133492459971?hash=item1f14c549c3:g:75MAAOSw2WBfNTuq</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=Fjriws/4YGw=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=Fjriws/4YGw=" rel="nofollow">http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=Fjriws/4YGw=</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>"%gold is consistent with an ancient coin"</b></p><p><br /></p><p>So what?</p><p><br /></p><p>You can check different silver coins and silver items from different times and countries and you will see that some of them will have "%gold is consistent with an ancient coin", too <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And if you want to say that no forger would melt an ancient coin (run down Denarii cost maybe 5-10 Euro) to creat a 5 Dollar fake, that will have an identical alloy with an ancient coin, then you are right but whatever he or she has melted the gold level seemed to be consistent with an ancient coin.</p><p>I assume that this is true although I do not know the Gold percentage to verify this. </p><p><br /></p><p>An XRF analyzer result of your coin and ancient denarii form different time and mints and modern silver coins from different mints and times would be more interesting, it should look like this. And even if your coin would have right alloy as said before you can melt down an authentic but very cheap run down Denari (and cast a planchet) and your alloy will be the alloy of an authentic ancient coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>The 2 XRF results are from 2 Bronze objects found this pictures in internet.^^</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1159170[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1159171[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lolli, post: 4741936, member: 96900"]There is no prove that the coin existed before 2001, except the word of the consignor (previous seller). David Sear will most likely change his mind if he will be notified concerning the new information that a not altered pressed die match is offered by a notorious fake seller together with other fakes some published fakes with same style and fabric from a Bulgarian workshop. So against authenticity: 1. die match for sale by a notorious fake seller 2. the die match looks pressed 3. the altering on your fake does not look convincing and was applied to distract form awful style 4. Pedigree goes in best case back to 2001, but is possibly much junger 5. The style and fabric (pressed) of your coin is fitting to a modern Bulgarian artist and fake workshop but not to any known authentic coin from this issue or time His Julius Caesar is a modern replica [URL]https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-JULIO-CESAR-49-48-16MM-3-6GR-SILVER/133492451468?hash=item1f14c5288c:g:TKMAAOSwj9ZfNTa0[/URL] [URL='https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/852116559/ar-roman-imperatorial-denarius-museum?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=elephant+caesar&ref=sc_gallery-1-2&plkey=3cb4618dc6b30ec810eb88b8c803c07d768b690a%3A852116559&frs=1']https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/852116559/ar-roman-imperatorial-denarius-museum?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=elephant+caesar&ref=sc_gallery-1-2&plkey=3cb4618dc6b30ec810eb88b8c803c07d768b690a:852116559&frs=1[/URL] Gordian [URL]https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-GORDIAN-I-AFRICANVS-SILVER/133492461221?hash=item1f14c54ea5:g:Q1sAAOSwGYNfNTyZ[/URL] [URL]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=g1cMWulSOl4=[/URL] Vespasian Cast [URL]https://www.ebay.de/itm/DENARIUS-VESPASIANVS-SILBER/133492459971?hash=item1f14c549c3:g:75MAAOSw2WBfNTuq[/URL] [URL]http://forgerynetwork.com/asset.aspx?id=Fjriws/4YGw=[/URL] [B]"%gold is consistent with an ancient coin"[/B] So what? You can check different silver coins and silver items from different times and countries and you will see that some of them will have "%gold is consistent with an ancient coin", too ;) And if you want to say that no forger would melt an ancient coin (run down Denarii cost maybe 5-10 Euro) to creat a 5 Dollar fake, that will have an identical alloy with an ancient coin, then you are right but whatever he or she has melted the gold level seemed to be consistent with an ancient coin. I assume that this is true although I do not know the Gold percentage to verify this. An XRF analyzer result of your coin and ancient denarii form different time and mints and modern silver coins from different mints and times would be more interesting, it should look like this. And even if your coin would have right alloy as said before you can melt down an authentic but very cheap run down Denari (and cast a planchet) and your alloy will be the alloy of an authentic ancient coin. The 2 XRF results are from 2 Bronze objects found this pictures in internet.^^ [ATTACH=full]1159170[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1159171[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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