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<p>[QUOTE="Vegas Vic, post: 1905837, member: 58810"]So we have a new poster take an aggressive stance with another poster and we get 4 subsequent pages of non coin information. Personally it sounded like there was more to the story but I have to say there are reasons that eBay makes refund rules as they do. I had two counterfeit coins and a snad that I had to return. But instead of hypotheticals it sounds like one main issue is this. Is it ethical to sell modern graded coins you know will drop in price.</p><p><br /></p><p>I only buy non standard graded moderns. Type 2 and errors. But there are those who see value in normal graded coins. Further there is also hype. I would describe joe's sale as something between beenie babies and tickle me Elmo. Every now and then things get hyped up past reasonable (housing market anyone?) and because speculative. This behavior goes back hundreds of years.</p><p><br /></p><p>The real issue was someone bought a coin and waited out the hype value then returned it. I see it as returning a scratched off lottery ticket.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't think there is anything morally wrong for selling a coin for thousands over "true" value when the buyers know what they are getting into. All of the buyers for this auction know what they were getting. But for eBay to work people like me sold counterfeit coins need recourse. I was also sold an 1862 ihc (I think it was 62) as unc and it came back cleaned au detailed. I don't think I should have to keep that coin and I didn't.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll tell you what I am planning to do. My wife ordered me a pair of google glasses and when that comes in I bet I can drop it on eBay for multiples what I will pay for it. And I know they will drop their value quick but if someone wants to overpay me for them I'll sell. They might try to return the glasses But I'll still try to cash in. I'll check no refunds but I'll expect the buyer to be able to return in 30 days. And I'll honor the refund as per eBay rules. </p><p><br /></p><p>As for the new guy, I think there was some unnecessary roughness. I personally think that the seller should simply refund and not think twice. I don't agree with joe on this issue. Because of all the bad behavior on eBay with dishonest sellers I feel there really needs to be a thirty day no questions asked policy. Yes the smudge was bogus but it shouldn't matter because there are so many guys playing games out there returns need to be simple and straight forward. I'm sure joe is honest and straightforward but there are many who aren't.</p><p><br /></p><p>New guy you seem lively even though you have some serious typo issues. I hope you will stick around and make things a little more exciting here.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coin for the thread. It doesn't have to be expensive to be pretty.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]326140[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]326141[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vegas Vic, post: 1905837, member: 58810"]So we have a new poster take an aggressive stance with another poster and we get 4 subsequent pages of non coin information. Personally it sounded like there was more to the story but I have to say there are reasons that eBay makes refund rules as they do. I had two counterfeit coins and a snad that I had to return. But instead of hypotheticals it sounds like one main issue is this. Is it ethical to sell modern graded coins you know will drop in price. I only buy non standard graded moderns. Type 2 and errors. But there are those who see value in normal graded coins. Further there is also hype. I would describe joe's sale as something between beenie babies and tickle me Elmo. Every now and then things get hyped up past reasonable (housing market anyone?) and because speculative. This behavior goes back hundreds of years. The real issue was someone bought a coin and waited out the hype value then returned it. I see it as returning a scratched off lottery ticket. I don't think there is anything morally wrong for selling a coin for thousands over "true" value when the buyers know what they are getting into. All of the buyers for this auction know what they were getting. But for eBay to work people like me sold counterfeit coins need recourse. I was also sold an 1862 ihc (I think it was 62) as unc and it came back cleaned au detailed. I don't think I should have to keep that coin and I didn't. I'll tell you what I am planning to do. My wife ordered me a pair of google glasses and when that comes in I bet I can drop it on eBay for multiples what I will pay for it. And I know they will drop their value quick but if someone wants to overpay me for them I'll sell. They might try to return the glasses But I'll still try to cash in. I'll check no refunds but I'll expect the buyer to be able to return in 30 days. And I'll honor the refund as per eBay rules. As for the new guy, I think there was some unnecessary roughness. I personally think that the seller should simply refund and not think twice. I don't agree with joe on this issue. Because of all the bad behavior on eBay with dishonest sellers I feel there really needs to be a thirty day no questions asked policy. Yes the smudge was bogus but it shouldn't matter because there are so many guys playing games out there returns need to be simple and straight forward. I'm sure joe is honest and straightforward but there are many who aren't. New guy you seem lively even though you have some serious typo issues. I hope you will stick around and make things a little more exciting here. Coin for the thread. It doesn't have to be expensive to be pretty. [ATTACH=full]326140[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]326141[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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