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<p>[QUOTE="beef1020, post: 1449150, member: 24544"]Cough...Cough...Reiver...Cough...Cough..., thankfully Mark also listed his opinion of most coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>The biggest issue I see with the TPG pedigree idea is the lack of adding the whole pedigree to the coin. Take a look at the Dan Holmes sale of large cents, some of those coins have pedigrees going back a hundred plus years and include previous owners like Hayes, Newcomb, Brand, Sheldon, Naftzger, etc. For instance here is the pedigree on his S-5:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Ex W. F. Johnson 6/1892-Dr. Thomas Hall-W. S. Sisson, Henry Chapman 4/1916:988-Wayte Raymond (The United States Coin Co.)-Henry C. Hines 1945-Dr. William H. Sheldon 4/19/72-R. E. Naftzger, Jr., New Netherlands Coin Co. 11/1973:326-Stack's-unknown-Stack's 10/90:1591-Tony Terranova-Stack's-Larry Stack-Stack's/American Numismatic Rarities auction 6/26/04:4028 (unsold)-Stack's (privately, via Chris McCawley) 7/8/04.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>So which one is it, the chapman S5, the Hines S5, the Sheldon S5, or the Homes S5? I guarantee when it's sold next it will be the 'current owners' S5. My point is, listing a pedigree from a collector on a slab seems odd because the types of coins which populate the types of collections which get pedigree designations are likely to be bought by other collectors who form collections which will also be worthy of pedigree designations. It's not a static thing, but the label can only have one name<i>.</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p>To the idea that certain pedigrees bring a bump in value it's interesting that you note Naftzger for large cents. I suspect the premium Naftzger coins bring has more to do with almost all of them being CC1 more so than being associated with this person or that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lastly, two other pedigree designation you did not bring up was a coin being a certain plate coin in a major numismatic reference book, for instance if a coin was plated in Sheldon or plated in Hayes, or being a discover peice for a variety or die state. I personally find these two to be pretty cool and noteworthy.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="beef1020, post: 1449150, member: 24544"]Cough...Cough...Reiver...Cough...Cough..., thankfully Mark also listed his opinion of most coins. The biggest issue I see with the TPG pedigree idea is the lack of adding the whole pedigree to the coin. Take a look at the Dan Holmes sale of large cents, some of those coins have pedigrees going back a hundred plus years and include previous owners like Hayes, Newcomb, Brand, Sheldon, Naftzger, etc. For instance here is the pedigree on his S-5: [I]Ex W. F. Johnson 6/1892-Dr. Thomas Hall-W. S. Sisson, Henry Chapman 4/1916:988-Wayte Raymond (The United States Coin Co.)-Henry C. Hines 1945-Dr. William H. Sheldon 4/19/72-R. E. Naftzger, Jr., New Netherlands Coin Co. 11/1973:326-Stack's-unknown-Stack's 10/90:1591-Tony Terranova-Stack's-Larry Stack-Stack's/American Numismatic Rarities auction 6/26/04:4028 (unsold)-Stack's (privately, via Chris McCawley) 7/8/04. [/I] So which one is it, the chapman S5, the Hines S5, the Sheldon S5, or the Homes S5? I guarantee when it's sold next it will be the 'current owners' S5. My point is, listing a pedigree from a collector on a slab seems odd because the types of coins which populate the types of collections which get pedigree designations are likely to be bought by other collectors who form collections which will also be worthy of pedigree designations. It's not a static thing, but the label can only have one name[I]. [/I] To the idea that certain pedigrees bring a bump in value it's interesting that you note Naftzger for large cents. I suspect the premium Naftzger coins bring has more to do with almost all of them being CC1 more so than being associated with this person or that. Lastly, two other pedigree designation you did not bring up was a coin being a certain plate coin in a major numismatic reference book, for instance if a coin was plated in Sheldon or plated in Hayes, or being a discover peice for a variety or die state. I personally find these two to be pretty cool and noteworthy.[/QUOTE]
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