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<p>[QUOTE="Orange Julius, post: 8209636, member: 77226"]Some interesting ideas! However, how can we definitively say that the obverses were unofficial? The coinage of Tetricus is some of the most inconsistent when it comes to quality of the whole of imperial coinage. The obverse artistry doesn’t look far off to me and there are lots of examples of coins that are mules of emperors with old reverses. Anyway, the idea is interesting but how can it be either further supported or refuted? Either way, a good post!</p><p><br /></p><p>Additionally, it does look like there is a listing for this coin at OCRE, although with no pictured examples (just one with text that IS however listed as a contemporary copy!). <a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.5.tet_i.74" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.5.tet_i.74" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.5.tet_i.74</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Another follow up edit…</b> I found one that was for sale here that includes some supporting information that believes both dies to be official:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1440034[/ATTACH]</p><p>“Tetricus I Antoninianus, struck ca. 271 - 275 AD at mint I.</p><p>Obv: IMP C TETRICVS [P F AVG], radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.</p><p>Rev: [FORTVNA RE]VX, Fotuna seated left, holding cornucopiae and rudder, wheel behind.</p><p>1,93 g, 17 mm.</p><p><br /></p><p>Extremely Rare, no further specimens known to us.</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin combines a Tetricus I Obverse with a reverse of Victorinus. The reverse seems to be die-linked to AGK plate 17 No. 6a. The style is perfectly official.</p><p>It seems most likely to be a contemporary "mint-forgery",struck under improper using of an old Victorinus reverse-die in combination with a mint I obverse-die of Tetricus I by the mint employees.</p><p><br /></p><p>This specimen is published in:</p><p>S. Sondermann, Zwei neue Antoniniane des Tetricus I / II aus Rs.-Stempeln ihrer Vorgänger, NNB 05/2010.”</p><p><a href="https://www.vcoins.com/fr/stores/sebastian_sondermann/150/product/tetricus_i_antoninianus__fortvna_redvx_reverse_of_victorinus__extremely_rare/511222/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/fr/stores/sebastian_sondermann/150/product/tetricus_i_antoninianus__fortvna_redvx_reverse_of_victorinus__extremely_rare/511222/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.vcoins.com/fr/stores/sebastian_sondermann/150/product/tetricus_i_antoninianus__fortvna_redvx_reverse_of_victorinus__extremely_rare/511222/Default.aspx</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Orange Julius, post: 8209636, member: 77226"]Some interesting ideas! However, how can we definitively say that the obverses were unofficial? The coinage of Tetricus is some of the most inconsistent when it comes to quality of the whole of imperial coinage. The obverse artistry doesn’t look far off to me and there are lots of examples of coins that are mules of emperors with old reverses. Anyway, the idea is interesting but how can it be either further supported or refuted? Either way, a good post! Additionally, it does look like there is a listing for this coin at OCRE, although with no pictured examples (just one with text that IS however listed as a contemporary copy!). [URL]http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.5.tet_i.74[/URL] [B]Another follow up edit…[/B] I found one that was for sale here that includes some supporting information that believes both dies to be official: [ATTACH=full]1440034[/ATTACH] “Tetricus I Antoninianus, struck ca. 271 - 275 AD at mint I. Obv: IMP C TETRICVS [P F AVG], radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Rev: [FORTVNA RE]VX, Fotuna seated left, holding cornucopiae and rudder, wheel behind. 1,93 g, 17 mm. Extremely Rare, no further specimens known to us. This coin combines a Tetricus I Obverse with a reverse of Victorinus. The reverse seems to be die-linked to AGK plate 17 No. 6a. The style is perfectly official. It seems most likely to be a contemporary "mint-forgery",struck under improper using of an old Victorinus reverse-die in combination with a mint I obverse-die of Tetricus I by the mint employees. This specimen is published in: S. Sondermann, Zwei neue Antoniniane des Tetricus I / II aus Rs.-Stempeln ihrer Vorgänger, NNB 05/2010.” [URL]https://www.vcoins.com/fr/stores/sebastian_sondermann/150/product/tetricus_i_antoninianus__fortvna_redvx_reverse_of_victorinus__extremely_rare/511222/Default.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]
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