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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4005581, member: 93416"]Thanks Doug. To show I am definitely wrong, I suppose you would need to find a Cavino/Paduan type version for this Achilleus fellow. Can you? To show I am probably wrong, you would need to find “fake coins of obscure individuals”. Afraid Septimus Severus does not get you out of the starting blocks on that, nor do I notice anything in your links or elsewhere to trouble me, on a quick look. Have I missed something?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Exactly as you say, this is an accurate description of of what ‘people’ think Today. And for my money that is rather exactly what is wrong about “Today”.</p><p><br /></p><p>Around 2000 I was being told exactly this sort of thing about the new generation of Chinese fakes going around. That the Chinese were not like us – they did care that the items were old if they looked nice. But also, I knew enough ethnic Chinese collectors to know the argument was utter codswallop. Chinese collectors were just like us, they wanted the real thing. Their conmen just like ours also, spinning yarns of all sorts to try cover their tracks.</p><p><br /></p><p>My guess is that was exactly what went on in 16th century Italy too. In the state of scholarship amongst new collectors, a lot of people fell for these things, and the story that people did not much care if they were really old is a face saving exercise, for both buyers and sellers, only after what was going on was exposed.</p><p><br /></p><p>My concern about “Today” is that yes, it is probably easy to find professional academic writers who take what I see as bogus face saving arguments as objective and factually accurate. Writers who dissolve truth itself, and replace truth and falsity with “many shades of grey”.</p><p><br /></p><p>By the way, 2020 is the 400th anniversary of the publication of Francis Bacon’s <i>Novum Organum. </i>I judge that work as the best point at which to say that Petrarch's “Dark Age” finished, at least in England. So, for me anyhow, 2020 a good year to point out that replacing truth with shades of grey risks leading us into a new Dark Age.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please do not take this the wrong way Doug. Though we disagree here, you are almost the only guy even taking an interest in the matter.</p><p><br /></p><p>Many Thanks and All the Best</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob T[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4005581, member: 93416"]Thanks Doug. To show I am definitely wrong, I suppose you would need to find a Cavino/Paduan type version for this Achilleus fellow. Can you? To show I am probably wrong, you would need to find “fake coins of obscure individuals”. Afraid Septimus Severus does not get you out of the starting blocks on that, nor do I notice anything in your links or elsewhere to trouble me, on a quick look. Have I missed something? Exactly as you say, this is an accurate description of of what ‘people’ think Today. And for my money that is rather exactly what is wrong about “Today”. Around 2000 I was being told exactly this sort of thing about the new generation of Chinese fakes going around. That the Chinese were not like us – they did care that the items were old if they looked nice. But also, I knew enough ethnic Chinese collectors to know the argument was utter codswallop. Chinese collectors were just like us, they wanted the real thing. Their conmen just like ours also, spinning yarns of all sorts to try cover their tracks. My guess is that was exactly what went on in 16th century Italy too. In the state of scholarship amongst new collectors, a lot of people fell for these things, and the story that people did not much care if they were really old is a face saving exercise, for both buyers and sellers, only after what was going on was exposed. My concern about “Today” is that yes, it is probably easy to find professional academic writers who take what I see as bogus face saving arguments as objective and factually accurate. Writers who dissolve truth itself, and replace truth and falsity with “many shades of grey”. By the way, 2020 is the 400th anniversary of the publication of Francis Bacon’s [I]Novum Organum. [/I]I judge that work as the best point at which to say that Petrarch's “Dark Age” finished, at least in England. So, for me anyhow, 2020 a good year to point out that replacing truth with shades of grey risks leading us into a new Dark Age. Please do not take this the wrong way Doug. Though we disagree here, you are almost the only guy even taking an interest in the matter. Many Thanks and All the Best Rob T[/QUOTE]
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