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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4003677, member: 19463"]No salute here! If 1579 is too early for this concept then you are denying the existence of Giovanni Cavino and his place as the father of artistic coin fakery a couple decades earlier.</p><p><a href="https://coinsweekly.com/creator-of-the-paduans-giovanni-da-cavino/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coinsweekly.com/creator-of-the-paduans-giovanni-da-cavino/" rel="nofollow">https://coinsweekly.com/creator-of-the-paduans-giovanni-da-cavino/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The highlight of the above piece is the collaboration between the artist Cavino on the coin collector Alessandro Bassiano who is credited in helping with the design and concepts based on his study of the real thing. He was in a position to realize what was needed and could (<i>should</i>, by his standards) be created. Today, the Paduans are not thought of as fakes but as Renaissance art created to fill a desire for things that the marketplace could not provide. He did not 'copy' the ancients as much as he sought to update, complete and improve on them. Denying his place as creator and calling his work 'fakes' is simplistic scholarship.</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/struck-paduan.326607/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/struck-paduan.326607/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/struck-paduan.326607/</a></p><p>However Paduans struck in 16th century Padua by masters have been replicated ever since by casting generation after generation of casts and casts of casts of casts of casts leaving us with what many of us have in our collections today. These are fakes when sold as old and something akin to illustrations one step up from my JPG photos or plaster casts for study when presented as what they are. Mine is the Septimius Severus inspired by an ancient original but never to be confused with one. Every so often the market will see an original, struck piece but we are to the point now that even the early generations of casts and aftercasts have a following.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1054067[/ATTACH]</p><p>Numismatics is a complex subject. In addition to weight standards and items of commerce, most of us have interest in them as 'art'. We must also realize that there is a 'history' aspect to the subject including many shades of grey in the question of fakes.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4003677, member: 19463"]No salute here! If 1579 is too early for this concept then you are denying the existence of Giovanni Cavino and his place as the father of artistic coin fakery a couple decades earlier. [URL]https://coinsweekly.com/creator-of-the-paduans-giovanni-da-cavino/[/URL] The highlight of the above piece is the collaboration between the artist Cavino on the coin collector Alessandro Bassiano who is credited in helping with the design and concepts based on his study of the real thing. He was in a position to realize what was needed and could ([I]should[/I], by his standards) be created. Today, the Paduans are not thought of as fakes but as Renaissance art created to fill a desire for things that the marketplace could not provide. He did not 'copy' the ancients as much as he sought to update, complete and improve on them. Denying his place as creator and calling his work 'fakes' is simplistic scholarship. [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/struck-paduan.326607/[/URL] However Paduans struck in 16th century Padua by masters have been replicated ever since by casting generation after generation of casts and casts of casts of casts of casts leaving us with what many of us have in our collections today. These are fakes when sold as old and something akin to illustrations one step up from my JPG photos or plaster casts for study when presented as what they are. Mine is the Septimius Severus inspired by an ancient original but never to be confused with one. Every so often the market will see an original, struck piece but we are to the point now that even the early generations of casts and aftercasts have a following. [ATTACH=full]1054067[/ATTACH] Numismatics is a complex subject. In addition to weight standards and items of commerce, most of us have interest in them as 'art'. We must also realize that there is a 'history' aspect to the subject including many shades of grey in the question of fakes.[/QUOTE]
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