The Morgan Roll Guy...How Does He Get The Toning?

No it is not. If the coins are at and junk coin after coin it was put together period.

The seller said it was an unsearched original roll. Clearly it was not.

 

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How can the buyer prove it was the coins that he received?

 

It's easy when you are not in court. You don't have to prove anything. Simply tell eBay the coins you received were not as described. His are all at and likely junk. An original roll has different coins.

This is not a murder conviction. eBay isn't going to get out their forensic team to inspect the coins. Simply tell eBay you feel cheated and that the coins you received were not as described. The guy on the other end of the phone doesn't know what pcgs stands for. From the eBay point of view, they have a he said she said and they will simply default to the buyer and refund.

The bottom line is he said it was original. We all know it wasn't. This guy shouldn't have to accept a fraudulently sold item.

Actually the buyer has an opportunity to screw this fraudster by sendIng back worse coins. The seller can't say they aren't the same coins as he then admits he knew what was in the roll. Personally I'm rooting for the op to do just this, take a cheater to the cleaners.

 

I'm not going to do anything dishonest, I'm watching the thread but trying not saying anything at the moment. Considering the amount I spent on these, I'm trying to work with the seller to get refunds.

 

Frankly, I would report the seller to eBay for fraud. The standard for reporting would be " item not as advertised." However, that is an extremely hard case to prove-- you did receive Morgan Rolls. Proving that they are not "" unsearched" is another matter. Rolls such as these have been for sale for a long time, and eBay doesn't seem to object to the " unsearched" designation. My suspicion is that this will end up being an expensive lesson, and for that, I am very sorry.

 

Very good points, however most of us believe the seller is a con-man selling rolls of morgans that he has put together using old style roll wrappers. This seller is not the first one to do this and he won't be the last.

This con job is so easy to do and there will always be very trusting buyers who will fall for it.

 

Exactly. I don't think anyone believes them to be legitimate bank rolls that have sat around for 100 years. The general consensus seems to be that the seller created these rolls, but that will be hard to prove with eBay.

Regarding the toning, here is a picture of one of the "toned coins in the unsearched roll." Tell me that it isn't an obvious case of AT.

 

Assuming all are MS62, which they're in pretty good shape and most have decent luster, they're worth about half what I paid. Minus costs of selling on eBay/PayPal fees. A few of them might be MS65 and could fetch up to 1800, however on eBay people do not bid up to PCGS values, and these aren't graded. The best thing would be a return, however I'm not sure if that's going to happen or not.

1x 1878-S (toned)
1x 1881
1x 1881-O
1x 1882
3x 1884-O (2 toned)
2x 1885
2x 1885-O (1 toned)
7x 1886 (2 toned)
3x 1887
7x 1889
3x 1890
1x 1896
3x 1897
1x 1897-S
1x 1898-O
3x 1900

 

I agree.

 

You got what was promised. You should not be allowed to return them because they are not as nice as you imagined them to be.

 

The return is based on artificial toning, these end coins which were the only ones visible, are not original. They contain artificially, i.e. fake, toning which reduces their value. These misleading pictures resulted in me bidding and winning the items. I am requesting the returns based on those facts.

 

The titles all say, Original Unopened [...] Toned

Meaning, the coins are original, they haven't been tampered with, and its original toning. These are false statements.

 

That is not what original means

 

To me, thats what you got.

 

So you think these were unopened and naturally toned in the rolls?

 

"I looked at the jhonecash website, compared colors and believed all looked fine. The toning color progression looked correct" bsupercharged, post #27. With all due respect, sir; your own words in this very thread contradict your now claimed reason for wanting a return. You even suggest all the coins were unc, which is what, if such a thing existed, an original roll would contain in the best case scenario. Please understand that I certainly do not wish to see you suffer a loss, but at least call a dog a dog. You bought into this, not because of color, but because you wanted a deal. You wanted to crack open a few rolls and find coins worth much more than you paid, which is the very reason these offerings exist and sometimes succeed.

 

You're certainly right, as others pointed out though the toning itself looks like it could be legit if it were toning from being in a bag, but not end coins in a roll

Not much else to say really, huge lesson I may have to learn. As mentioned though, everyone now knows what these rolls contained and to use caution when buying them, because in the end the only person who knows if these were thrown together is the seller.

 

maybe they were rolled with coins from a bag. Maybe once rolled these coins were stored in a environment to prevent toning. Maybe they were put together last week. You knew all this going in, and now you want a refund because the coins are not as nice as you imagined. You gambled and lost, take it and move on. If the roll contained all carson city gems, with questionable bag toning you wouldnt return them. If ebay allows you to return them, then the only scammer in this transaction is you.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.