The Monster Toned Coin Game Thread

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  1. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Given its pricing, and overall look, I don’t think it is a particularly attractive coin. Ike proofs can have that unattractive blue peripheral toning, with gray looking devices. I don’t see its appeal at all.
     
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  3. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    That's fair; I like it enough to buy at a premium to a generic proof of that date but not a large premium (considering these go from $10-$30 on eBay, I would bid between $30-$50).
     
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  4. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That was what I was thinking. It is high grade, but the toning is unspectacular. A maximum of $50 premium inclusive seems very reasonable to me. It would not be a great resale coin, as Blue peripheral Ikes are a very common toning pattern.
     
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  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    3.9 on the nickel. I will admit I don't have much of a baseline for judging nickels though.
     
  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    I find it pretty 5.0
     
  7. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    Often, proofs may have some thin film optical beauty, but the mirrors of the proof hide the colors. On non-proof coins, the frosty luster accentuates toning - on proofs you have to view the color at a very narrow angle. IMO, that difference makes proofs less appealing to the toner collector.

    If you have to resort to photographic methods like axial photography to see colors, many toned coin collectors will not be happy (or at least underwhelmed) with the coin in hand.
     
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  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Agreed, I am routinely underwhelmed by toned proofs.
     
  9. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    This is one of the few exceptions. It is an attractively toned Morgan Proof. Of course, it is an extreme rarity, and a $65,000 coin.

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  10. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    I do not like that coin at all. It has a lot of hairlines on the face, and the toning is completely underwhelming.
     
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  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Speaking of toned proofs, I have one to share, so put me on the list.
     
  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    It is one of the most celebrated coins in the World, irrespective of one liking it or not.. Each to their own. This thread is clearly not for me, anymore. Carry on, folks. :)
     
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  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    Why do you take everything so personally?

    That 1895 Morgan proof is hairlined, it is not fully struck, and the toning is not anything spectacular or knock-out. Why would you (or anyone else) consider it one of the "most celebrated coins in the World"?

    It can be a highly sought after and genuinely scarce proof (mintage 880), and it can sell for big money ($65,000), but I think saying it is one of the "most celebrated coins in the World" (?) is a bit of overkill and hyperbole. I have never seen it nor heard of it and I've been a collector for 33 years. I do keep up on USA coinage and sales, but I'm not an avid Morgan collector.

    Can we at least agree that it is more aptly called one of the "most celebrated Morgan Dollars in the World"?

    Again, the intent here is not to be combative, but I think we need to open our minds a little to a universe beyond Morgan Dollars.
     
  14. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    Would you not agree that the Simpson example of the 1895 Proof Morgan for sale on Heritage is more attractive than the PF66 example you posted? In my view, they are not even comparable.

    1895_simpson_pr66cam_morgan_proof.jpg
     
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  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Summary Chapter 1
    Rd. 1: 1883-O Morgan NGC MS63* [Obv]...CT -> 3.6 (Mid) vs You -> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 2: 1880 Morgan PCGS MS62 [Obv]...CT -> 2.7 (Low-Mid) vs You -> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 3: 1881-S Morgan PCGS MS65 [Rev]...CT -> 3 (Mid) vs You -> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 4: 1880-S Morgan PCGS MS65 [Obv]...CT -> 4.6 (Mid-High) vs You -> 5 (High)
    Rd. 5: 1880-S Morgan NGC MS66* [Obv]...CT -> 3.2 (Mid) vs You -> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 6: 1880-S Morgan PCGS MS?? [Rev]...CT -> 3.5 (Mid) vs You -> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 7: 1887 Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT-> 4.2 (Mid-High) vs You-> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 8: 1939-D Lincoln PCGS MS65RB [Obv]...CT-> 4.1 (Mid-High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 9: 1972-D Ike PCGS MS63 [Obv]...CT-> 2.3 (Low-Mid) vs You-> 2 (Low-Mid)
    Rd. 10: 1892 GB Half Crown PCGS MS64 [Dual]...CT-> 4 (Mid-High) vs You-> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 11: 1967 UK Half Crown PCGS MS65+ [Dual]...CT-> 3 (Mid) vs You-> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 12: 1963 Franklin NGC MS65+* FBL [Rev]...CT-> 4 (Mid-High) vs You-> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 13: 1884-O Morgan PCGS MS63+ [Obv]...CT -> 5 (High) vs You -> 5 (High)
    Rd. 14: 1899 GB 6 Pence PCGS MS65 [Dual]...CT-> 5 (High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 15: 1926 F.I.C. Piastre PCGS AU58 [Dual]...CT-> 3 (Mid) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 16: 1904 USP Peso NGC PF62 [Dual]...CT-> 2.8 (Low-Mid) vs You-> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 17: 1944 Jeff Nickel PCGS MS 66 [Obv]...CT-> 4.8 (Mid-High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 18: 1880-S Morgan PCGS MS 66+ [Obv]...CT-> 2.7 (Low-Mid) vs You-> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 19: 1881-S Morgan PCGS MS 68+ [Obv]...CT-> 6 (Monster) vs You-> 6 (Monster)
    Rd. 20: 1887 Morgan PCGS MS 66+ [Obv]...CT-> 5.3 (High) vs You-> 6 (Monster)
    Rd. 21: 1880-S Morgan NGC MS 66* [Obv]...CT-> 4.5 (Mid-High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 22: 1941-D Jeff Nickel NGC MS 67* 5FS [Dual]...CT-> 4.9 (Mid-High) vs You-> 6 (Monster)
    Rd. 23: 1961 Franklin 50c PCGS PR 65 [Dual]...CT-> 5.3 (High) vs You-> 6 (Monster)
    Rd. 24: 1884-O Morgan NGC MS 61* [Obv]...CT-> 2.7 (Low-Mid) vs You-> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 25: 1941-D Jeff Nickel PCGS MS 66 FS [Dual]...CT-> 3.6 (Mid) vs You-> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 26: 1708 GB Shilling PCGS MS64 [Dual]...CT-> 2.8 (Low-Mid) vs You-> 3 (Mid)
    Rd. 27: 1880-S Morgan PCGS MS64 PL [Rev]...CT -> 5 (High) vs You -> 5 (High)
    Rd. 28: 1835 10c PCGS AU58 [Rev]...CT -> 3.9 (Mid) vs You -> 5 (High)
    Rd. 29: 1888 Morgan PCGS MS65+ [Obv]...CT -> 4 (Mid-High) vs You -> 4 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 30: 1904-O Morgan NGC MS64 [Dual]...CT -> 3 (Mid) vs You -> 2 (Low-Mid)

    Summary Chapter 2
    Rd. 31: 1878 8tf Morgan PCGS MS66 [Obv]...CT -> 5.5 (High) vs You -> 6.0 (Monster)
    Rd. 32: 1880-s Morgan PCGS MS63 [Obv]...CT -> 4.7 (Mid-High) vs You -> 5.3 (High)
    Rd. 33: 1881-S Morgan NGC MS 66* [Obv]...CT-> 5.6 (High) vs You-> 6 (Monster)
    Rd. 34: 1868 4D Mdy PCGS MS 65 [Dual]...CT-> 3.1 (Mid) vs You-> 3.5 (Mid)
    Rd. 35: 1884-O Morgan NGC MS 64* [Obv]...CT-> 4.2 (Mid-High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 36: 1884-O Morgan NGC MS 64* [Obv]...CT-> 4.3 (Mid-High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 37: 1881-S Morgan Raw [obv]...CT -> 1.8 (Low) vs You -> 1.7 (Low)
    Rd. 38: 1877-CC Quarter PCGS AU 58 [Dual]...CT -> 3.4 (Mid) vs You -> 4.8 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 39: 1919 Franc PCGS MS 66 [Dual]...CT -> 2.9 (Low-Mid) vs You -> 3.5 (Mid)
    Rd. 40: 1887 Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT -> 5.8 (High) vs You -> 6.0 (Monster)
    Rd. 41: 1974-S Ike Raw [Obv]...CT -> 2.5 (Low-Mid) vs You -> 2.0 (Low-Mid)
    Rd. 42: 1885-O Morgan NGC MS63* [Obv]...CT -> 2.8 (Low-Mid) vs You -> 3.0 (Mid)
    Rd. 43: 1958-D Franklin NGC MS64* [Dual]...CT -> 4.5 (Mid-High) vs You -> 4.9 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 44: 1886 Morgan PCGS MS66 [Obv]...CT -> 5.9 (High) vs You -> 6.0 (Monster)
    Rd. 45: 1883-O Morgan NGC MS63* [Rev]...CT -> 3.5 (Mid) vs You -> 3.0 (Mid)
    Rd. 46: 1958-D Franklin NGC MS67* [Dual]...CT -> 4.1 (Mid-High) vs You -> 5.5 (High)
    Rd. 47: 1888 Morgan Anacs MS63 [Obv]...CT -> 5.1 (High) vs You -> 5.4 (High)
    Rd. 48: 1961 10c PCGS MS66+ [Obv]...CT -> 4.5 (Mid-High) vs You -> 4.7 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 49*: 1883 Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT -> 5.1 (High) vs You -> 5.9 (High)
    Rd. 50: 1884 Morgan PCGS MS63 [Obv]...CT -> 3.1 (Mid) vs You -> 4.0 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 51: 1882-S Morgan PCGS MS63 [Obv]...CT -> 3.9 (Mid) vs You -> 3.2 (Mid)
    Rd. 52: 1878-S Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT -> 3.9 (Mid) vs You -> 3.7 (Mid)
    Rd. 53: 1880-S Morgan NGC MS 64 [Obv]...CT-> 4.5 (Mid-High) vs You-> 3.8 (Mid)
    Rd. 54^: 1901-O Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT -> 4.7 (Mid-High) vs You -> 5.0 (High)
    Rd. 55^: 1899-O Morgan NGC MS65* [Obv]...CT -> 4.5 (Mid-High) vs You -> 4.5 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 56: 1885-O Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT -> 5.5 (High) vs You -> 5.4 (High)
    Rd. 57: 1883 Morgan PCGS MS65 [Obv]...CT -> 5.7 (High) vs You -> 6.0 (Monster)
    Rd. 58: 1882-O Morgan PCGS MS63 [Obv]...CT -> 4.4 (Mid-High) vs You -> 5.0 (High)
    Rd. 59*: 1881-S Morgan PCGS MS64 [Obv]...CT -> 3.3 (Mid) vs You -> 3.5 (Mid)
    Rd. 60: 2001 France Last Franc PCGS SP69 [Obv]...CT -> 3.7 (Mid) vs You -> 4.5 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 61: 1884-O Morgan PCGS MS65 [Obv]...CT -> 5.3 (High) vs You -> 5.4 (High)
    Rd. 62: 1944-D Jeff Nickel NGC MS 67 T [Dual]...CT-> 5 (High) vs You-> 6 (Monster)
    Rd. 63: 1968-S Jeff Nickel PCGS PR 66 [Dual]...CT-> 4.3 (Mid-High) vs You-> 4.8 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 64: 1964 Jeff Nickel Anacs PF 67 [Dual]...CT-> 4.1 (Mid-High) vs You-> 4.5 (Mid-High)
    Rd. 65: 1959 Lincoln Cent Raw UNC [Dual]...CT-> 5 (High) vs You-> 5 (High)
    Rd. 66: 1963 Jeff Nickel Anacs PF 67 [Dual]...CT-> 4.3 (Mid-High) vs You-> 5.5 (High)
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    *Rd. 49 is presumed to be a juiced picture, so take the final scores with a grain of salt
    ^Rds. 54 & 55 are potentially pixelated pictures, which likely skewed the results
    *Rd. 59 is presumed to be a juiced picture, so take the final scores with a grain of salt
     
  16. ddddd

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  17. SSG_Gonzo

    SSG_Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I’m not a very experienced coin collector, in fact maybe even the youngest and even the least financially able to collect in a world consumed by people with wealth. With that said I’m not a big Morgan collector in fact I think I only have 4 or 5 Morgan’s in my collection. Am I correct in saying that, that Morgan sells or values at $65k? I am truly shocked at the value of that coin or even the price tag that is attached to such a coin. Even in my dreams I could not afford such a coin. I would like to see it’s colors as the image you provided kind of mutes it @Morgandude11
     
  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Agreed. I actually grade it au 58. Look at the luster breaks on the high points I think it’s grossly overgraded but it’s a 1895 Morgan I’d be happy to own. But not as a 66 the Simpson coin while a bit dark. Is original much cleaner and much more appealing especially with the beautiful reflective surfaces
     
  19. brg5658

    brg5658 Supporter! Supporter

    This should be interesting:

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  20. SSG_Gonzo

    SSG_Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I give that a 5.5, the color on this is absolutely stunning.
     
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  21. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect for 65 years

    I'd like to give this Jefferson more respect but the colors just don't pop out. The coloring seems dull to me and overall the coin is dark. I'm going to have to go with a 3. No respect, no respect at all!
     
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