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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Sulla80, post: 4783606, member: 99456&quot;]Thanks all for the nice coins and comments.</p><p>I don&#039;t mind at all, quite the contrary - quite pleased to see a denarius with Pater Patria spelled out in Latin.</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="4"><i>&quot;There is a good chance that Nerva, &#039;the last strictly Italian emperor&#039;, was also the first to accept PP immediately upon his accession on 18 September 96. His advanced age and long career in the senate must have counted heavily.&quot; </i></font></p><p><font size="4"><i>-Stevenson, T. (2007). <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/42666935" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/42666935" rel="nofollow">Roman Coins and Refusals of the Title &quot;Pater Patriae&quot;</a>.</i></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>You do pull out some very nice coins <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> ...by this time the senate was pretty ineffective and there wasn&#039;t much left of republican sensibilities and traditional honors.</p><p>Sometime during the period covered in RIC VIII - Jovian <font face="Times New Roman"><font size="5">DN IOVIANVS PF PP AVG</font></font> (AD 363-364) appears to be the latest (not 100% certain):</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/30/2/30301.s.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>and thanks for sharing the changing meaning of PP on Byzantine coins and late roman coins, I was not aware of this.&nbsp; From <a href="https://www.davidrsear.com/academy/roman_legends.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.davidrsear.com/academy/roman_legends.html" rel="nofollow">Sear&#039;s website</a>:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="3"><b>&quot;PERP</b> or <b>PP</b> = Perpetuus, &#039;Continuous&#039;. In the early Empire this indicated the holding of a specific office for life, eg CENS(or) PERP(petuus) under Domitian. However, from the late 5th century into Byzantine times it replaced the traditional &#039;P F&#039;, standing on its own as an Imperial title immediately preceding that of Augustus.&quot;</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>Very interesting to see the two coins paired from Claudius.&nbsp; As Mattingly, and others, assign acceptance of PP by Claudius to Jan-42, I think (not 100% confident) that your second coin is therefore AD 41/42.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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