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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 2376333, member: 26302"]Mint records are iffy in the 19th century, but not so in modern day history. The mint has records the Denver mint was NEVER given authority to strike this coin. NEVER. Yet the assistant superintendant of the mint evidently did anyway. Then he kept one and later on his relative tried to sell it. Given the mint asserts they NEVER gave authority to strike this piece, I would believe the defense would need to prove how they lawfully came into possession of it. Since they cannot, its theft of government property.</p><p><br /></p><p>I cannot tell if you simply do not get how this is different than errors or are being intentionally obfusicant. An error is a manufacturing defect of a legally authorized coin. If the mint accidentally makes an error in manufacturing a legally authorized coin, and then transfers title of the coins to the Fed or a bank, then clear title has been obtained. An error coin has NOTHING to do with this discussion. The only way it could would be if a mint employee intentionally made the error and then snuck it out of the mint. If they snuck it out, (did not have the mint give legal title), then it would also be theft. However, since its an error of a legally produced coin PROVING it was theft would be very difficult, since one could always claim it was an error that was discovered in a legally obtained bag of coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bottom line, if the mint never authorizes a coin to be struck, or never legally sold an example to anyone, then by definition its theft. The only reason the 1933 double eagle was allowed to be sold is that the US allowed its export to Egypt years ago, which clouded title. Should the 5 1913 liberty nickels be impounded also? I would claim they should be, but the mint has not chosen to pursue this for so long its hard to do so now. I would also say the same would be true of 1964 silver dollars. Any of those that comes to light should be immediately impounded, since by definition they would be stolen property.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 2376333, member: 26302"]Mint records are iffy in the 19th century, but not so in modern day history. The mint has records the Denver mint was NEVER given authority to strike this coin. NEVER. Yet the assistant superintendant of the mint evidently did anyway. Then he kept one and later on his relative tried to sell it. Given the mint asserts they NEVER gave authority to strike this piece, I would believe the defense would need to prove how they lawfully came into possession of it. Since they cannot, its theft of government property. I cannot tell if you simply do not get how this is different than errors or are being intentionally obfusicant. An error is a manufacturing defect of a legally authorized coin. If the mint accidentally makes an error in manufacturing a legally authorized coin, and then transfers title of the coins to the Fed or a bank, then clear title has been obtained. An error coin has NOTHING to do with this discussion. The only way it could would be if a mint employee intentionally made the error and then snuck it out of the mint. If they snuck it out, (did not have the mint give legal title), then it would also be theft. However, since its an error of a legally produced coin PROVING it was theft would be very difficult, since one could always claim it was an error that was discovered in a legally obtained bag of coins. Bottom line, if the mint never authorizes a coin to be struck, or never legally sold an example to anyone, then by definition its theft. The only reason the 1933 double eagle was allowed to be sold is that the US allowed its export to Egypt years ago, which clouded title. Should the 5 1913 liberty nickels be impounded also? I would claim they should be, but the mint has not chosen to pursue this for so long its hard to do so now. I would also say the same would be true of 1964 silver dollars. Any of those that comes to light should be immediately impounded, since by definition they would be stolen property.[/QUOTE]
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