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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2281335, member: 19463"]I have Butcher and Ponting's 1997 article when they were drilling coins of Septimius Severus. I have not seen this new work. My earlier objection is that the study is based on assumptions of consistent metal supply and a few coins drilled are taken as representative of all. In the case of Septimius, we had several mints operating in a wartime environment. Looking at my sampling of about 500 coins, I see a wide variation in metal appearance. I see differences in the coins of one year from those of a year later, from those of a different mint and from those of minor persons (Caracalla Caesar) from primaries (Septimius/Domna). Should I see differences between coins made from Eastern silver, recycled silver or silver processed by the night shift? The questions here come down to how we know whether the core drill advantage shows us anything beyond averages. Are averages really valuable? That depends on what numbers were selected to be averaged. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.newstrategist.com/store/index.cfm/feature/57_15/50-facts-about-the-average-american.cfm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.newstrategist.com/store/index.cfm/feature/57_15/50-facts-about-the-average-american.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstrategist.com/store/index.cfm/feature/57_15/50-facts-about-the-average-american.cfm</a></p><p>The above link describes 50 averages for Americans. Of them, I subscribe to 24 plus or minus a couple that would require more study to know with certainty. I am somewhat average in height and weight but a tad old and slightly ethnically diverse (we might call that a European mutt) rather than 100% from one country or with grandparents from four different continents. I suspect many of you are also similarly described by those numbers but may participate mainly in the 26 numbers I did not. If you are also a 24, do we resemble each other? </p><p><br /></p><p>Until the study has been done on a million coins and records are split by fine divisions of mint or date or circumstance I fail to appreciate the drilling of coins. I wonder if equal accuracy, on average, would be obtained by comparing destructive assays of a few coins but past practices caused people to destroy only ugly coins so their results were not representative. The cores may be the best answer but I suspect that their results are open to being made invalid by interpretation and averaging. </p><p><br /></p><p>I would like to see what they have to say about flan production. I hope they allow for differences we see in flans by the same factors that make averages less than informative in assay. Are the studies presented broken down in several ways or just 'Galba' and 'Otho'? It would cost me $138 to find out.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2281335, member: 19463"]I have Butcher and Ponting's 1997 article when they were drilling coins of Septimius Severus. I have not seen this new work. My earlier objection is that the study is based on assumptions of consistent metal supply and a few coins drilled are taken as representative of all. In the case of Septimius, we had several mints operating in a wartime environment. Looking at my sampling of about 500 coins, I see a wide variation in metal appearance. I see differences in the coins of one year from those of a year later, from those of a different mint and from those of minor persons (Caracalla Caesar) from primaries (Septimius/Domna). Should I see differences between coins made from Eastern silver, recycled silver or silver processed by the night shift? The questions here come down to how we know whether the core drill advantage shows us anything beyond averages. Are averages really valuable? That depends on what numbers were selected to be averaged. [url]http://www.newstrategist.com/store/index.cfm/feature/57_15/50-facts-about-the-average-american.cfm[/url] The above link describes 50 averages for Americans. Of them, I subscribe to 24 plus or minus a couple that would require more study to know with certainty. I am somewhat average in height and weight but a tad old and slightly ethnically diverse (we might call that a European mutt) rather than 100% from one country or with grandparents from four different continents. I suspect many of you are also similarly described by those numbers but may participate mainly in the 26 numbers I did not. If you are also a 24, do we resemble each other? Until the study has been done on a million coins and records are split by fine divisions of mint or date or circumstance I fail to appreciate the drilling of coins. I wonder if equal accuracy, on average, would be obtained by comparing destructive assays of a few coins but past practices caused people to destroy only ugly coins so their results were not representative. The cores may be the best answer but I suspect that their results are open to being made invalid by interpretation and averaging. I would like to see what they have to say about flan production. I hope they allow for differences we see in flans by the same factors that make averages less than informative in assay. Are the studies presented broken down in several ways or just 'Galba' and 'Otho'? It would cost me $138 to find out.[/QUOTE]
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